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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Just wanted to confirm testing regulations...
« on: September 22, 2010, 07:50:49 PM »
No, you would be allowed to take it again before February 2012.  The LSAC policy is that you are only allowed to take the LSAT 3 times within any given 2 year time window.  That means that if your 3rd take was February 2010, you would count the two years from the date of the first of your three takes, not the last one.  As soon as it has been 2 years since the first of the 3 takes you can take it again since then you would only have taken it twice within the previous 2 year period.

Yes, you are correct, it doesn't look great to LS's to have taken the LSAT several times rather than just once or say twice with one cancellation and one reported score.  How it is viewed would of course also depend on what is on your score report in terms of whether you have multiple reported scores or which combo of scores, cancellations, and/or no-shows you have. 

BTW, there is an easy way get an exception to the 3 times in two years limit.  All you have to do is get the admissions office of any LS to write LSAC a letter saying they grant you permission to take the LSAT again and the limit is waived.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Any RC Tips or Tricks?
« on: September 21, 2010, 07:24:18 PM »
For one thing, focus on careful critical 'active' reading of the content, meaning that you really engage your mind in thinking about it as you go rather than trying to read it all really fast.  Basically, slow down to speed up.

Do you find yourself reading stuff really fast and then having to re-read things multiple times along the way because it didn't sink in/click well enough on first read to confidently answer questions?  If so, slow down your reading pace so that you understand and process the content better on the first read so that you don't have to bounce around re-reading things frequently. 


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LR: speed or skill?
« on: September 21, 2010, 07:14:15 PM »
OP:  Given that your highest score so far is 146 after some practice/study time I don't think your major problem or best solution is to do the questions in a different order.  You are missing far too many for your current score range to be based on the order you do them. 

You need to do something to significantly improve your understanding of what is going on with LR questions, what concepts are involved and being tested, and to change/improve your approach and skills at solving each of the questions/question types, etc.

Timing is NOT your main problem, your underlying skills are.  Speed comes with/improves with better understanding of and skills with the materials.  When you know what is going on with, how to properly approach the various question types, and know/understand what techniques and methods of analysis to apply to each you will be able to solve each of them in less time with better accuracy.

Other than churning through a bunch of practice tests/sections as fast as you can timed, what else have you been doing to improve your LR problem solving skills?

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Logic Reasoning
« on: September 21, 2010, 07:00:35 PM »

Sounds like you need to do a lot of work on the LR sections.  I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I don't think it is realistic to cut down the amount of LR questions you miss per test from ~30 to minus 15 or less in the less than 3 weeks left before the October test.  There are only about 50-52 LR questions per test and according to your info you are missing an overwhelming majority of them. 

What have you done so far to prep over the last 3 months other than working questions off and on for practice?

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is one and half month prep realistic?
« on: September 12, 2010, 04:11:51 PM »
Not without a prep course and some meaningful way to gauge your progress. This is about what I put in, and I can tell you that it's not enough if you want to clear the 160 mark, which is what I hoped to do. Look, the benefits of taking a test prep course far outway the costs. If you have the time and the ability, taking an LSAT prep course and getting the nuts and bolts of the test down pat will probably improve your scores considerably. The cost is 3000 dollars (last time looked), and you will reap the benefits in terms of better tuition and better options. If i had it to do over again, I would take Kaplan or something comparable.

That said, sounds like you don't have time to change your mind on that one so make sure you are timing your answers. You need to be able to do all the questions in the allotted time, and in my first section I ran out with three questions to go. It set me up for what I can only describe as an awful testing experience for the remainder. So time yourself, or have someone time you. and take 2 practice tests under timed conditions per day.

$3000 for a prep course??   That's double or more the price of most available quality full length prep courses. 

Also, taking 2 timed practice tests a day to try to improve your score is well beyond foolish.  Doing that would be counter productive and waste tons of time that could otherwise be spent doing the study & review stuff that actually helps improve your skill/performance level.  It would almost be the worst possible way of doing the stupid churn and burn routine.

Slow motion study, analysis and review of test content, concepts, strategies, techniques, approaches, mistakes you make along the way, etc. is critical in order to raise your scoring ability.  Burning through a bunch of tests as fast as possible expecting it to help improve your score is silly. 

The only study plan I can think of that would be a worse formula for disaster would be doing 2 timed practice tests a day and starting to take/getting hooked on adderall to do it.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Writing the October 2010 lsat
« on: September 12, 2010, 01:11:02 PM »
Is there actually some sort of consensus on whether the October, December, and February tests are harder/ easier than one another?

As a general rule most people will agree that whatever date they they took the test will be the hardest ever... :)

I believe this has become known as Ferns Law!   :D

On a more serious note. From what I have been able to deduce, they really do seem to make a strong effort to ensure that the standardized test really is pretty close to standard. Good luck with preparation and test.



Which administration/test form you take doesn't effect your score.  How well you are prepared and your skill level when you take it DOES effect your score. 

It's kinda simple like that with standardized tests since they are designed to accurately rate/measure your skill/proficiency level at the time you take it regardless of the calendar month of the administration you sit for.

Whether you take the LSAT in February, June, October or December, to get a 170 you have to have 170 skills and perform at that skill level, to get a 160, have 160 skills and perform at that level, etc.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Must purchase books ?
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:56:02 PM »
So I have finished my shopping at amazon

PowerScore LSAT Logical Reasoning Bible (quite helpful)
PowerScore LSAT Logic Games Bible (useful too)

Any other good books to purchase ?

Thanks !



All or as many of the previously administered LSAT's you can afford, especially including the recent ones from the last several years if you haven't already.

Powerscore has an RC bible too, plus I like the LSAC produced LSAT SuperPrep book.  The explanations for the 3 included tests are excellent.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: prep test 13 section 4 #1
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:46:19 PM »
Either your answer key is wrong or you read it wrong, the credited answer choice is (A) like you thought it should be.
(some self study books with full tests in them have errors in the answer keys, most notably those from a big company with a name that starts with Ka...)


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is one and half month prep realistic?
« on: August 31, 2010, 10:07:28 PM »
Unfortunately there is no one size fits all formula in terms of how much study time is necessary to be able to hit your maximum potential score.  The LSAT isn't a test you can reliably say X# of hours per week over Y# of weeks will equal Z# of point increase. 

Your mileage may vary.  Some people prep for it for 3 months, some for 6+ months etc. to get their performance up to a score they are happy with. 

Have you taken a timed practice test yet to get your starting off pre-prep/just started prepping baseline score?  Have you researched and figured out what score range you need with your UG GPA to be a competitive applicant to the Law Schools you are interested in attending?

It all depends on what your goal score is and where you start off.  If you are looking to break 170 and scored something in the 140's or below on your first timed practice test(s), expecting to break 170 with under 6 weeks of prep is a long shot. 

What is your target score and what are your target schools?  Not everyone needs or wants a 170+ to be satisfied and to get into a LS they will be happy with.  If you're talking about going from say mid to low 150's to 160+ or something like that in 5-6 weeks, that is reasonable and do-able with good dedicated prep.  If you are going for a 20+ point gain in 5-6 weeks, that is unrealistic.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Freedom
« on: August 28, 2010, 07:21:54 PM »
I have no clue what you are talking about other than if want to be free of spending time dealing with and prepping for the LSAT you would have to decide not to pursue admission to Law School.  Nothing wrong with that if you have decided it is not for you and picked something else instead. 

But seriously, what are you talking about if you are a real person rather than a spam-bot?

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