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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Please Remember After Today's LSAT
« on: December 13, 2010, 09:36:53 AM »
Along the lines of the December LSAT, I don't complain about employees at their work, but there was a lot of cell phone rule breaking at my test site that wasn't enforced. Multiple people had cell phones and were only told to turn them off. One person's cell phone went off after the break during section 4 and it was only confiscated for the test. I thought bring a cell phone to the test site warranted automatic dismissal? I am not going to call and complain because I don't like to affect people's employments, but perhaps it should be stressed more firmly to the proctors that cell phones are STRICTLY prohibited.

That sucks, sorry you had to endure the distractions.

Maybe this will sound like an 'old guy' rant, but I just cannot understand why people think they cannot or actually cannot live and function without a cell phone/all in one mobile iDevice in their hands whenever they leave home, not even for half of a Saturday when they know ahead of time where they are going and about what time they will be done.   

It's really not that hard to arrange for a ride and pick-up in advance if you don't drive yourself to the test center.  Nothing earth-shattering requiring your immediate attention is going to pop up on facebook or twitter that cannot wait until late afternoon or evening for your comments. 
I think you should lodge a test center complaint with LSAC about the lax proctors not enforcing the electronic device prohibition.  From what I know LSAC is putting a lot of resources and effort into quality control of test sites and proctors, but they only know of problems that need to be addressed if somebody tells them since they are not at the test sites and the proctors are contracted/hired by the test center.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Preptest(s) help please
« on: December 09, 2010, 05:35:39 PM »
Hey Michelle,

Your logic about the question from preptest 61 and why the correct answer is correct is spot on perfect.   :)

But what's with the extreme sleep deprivation thing ??  Assuming you are taking the test this saturday, you better be getting some good rest tonight and tomorrow night in order to be in your best shape to tackle the test.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Preptest(s) help please
« on: November 30, 2010, 10:31:46 PM »
Thank you, Marcus Aurelius and Jeffort for the responses! I greatly appreciate the explanations. They are extremely helpful.

Jeffort, I selected answer B. Thank you for the explanations of the other incorrect answers though! Much appreciated.  ;D

Hmm, why did you go with (B) ? 

Did you get mixed up about the question type and/or just make a semi-random guess to keep moving after getting sucked into the problem for too long?  It's a pretty dense/difficult question.

Given that it is a 'what can you conclude from the information provided above' question with no evidence presented to support a conclusion about what will actually happen in the factories in the future, I'm curious about what went wrong that lead you to decide (B).  Just trying to help you figure out where you went wrong when you attempted it so you can hopefully not make the same mistake again.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Preptest(s) help please
« on: November 30, 2010, 04:24:29 PM »

marcus-aurelius explanations were on point.

Preptest 16, St 2, #11 - sewing machines

The stimulus gives us info about the operation methods of two different types of existing apparel factories (traditional factories {AKA slave labor sweatshops} and automated factories) and then offers a conclusion that predicts what the automated factories are likely to do in the future.   

Even though it is a conclusion question (find the answer choice that states something than can be concluded from the information presented in the stimulus), unlike most must be true/what can be inferred/validly concluded/is supported by the info above questions, the stimulus presents an argument, not just a set of facts/information. 

Due to the question type you have to accept all the info presented as being true, even though part of it is a conclusion that is not logically valid based on the presented evidence.  Argument analysis, looking for flaws/assumptions is not appropriate for this question type even though the stimulus does present an argument with flawed reasoning. 

Since, as stated, both traditional factories and automated apparel factories have or will have procedures to regularly observe and monitor the performance of each needle in order to know when one is worn out and needs to be replaced,  you can reasonably conclude that the hours of use life span of sewing needles is not a reliable constant number.  Meaning that you cannot reliably predict how many hours of use a given needle of the same type will endure before it is worn out. 

It's similar to light bulbs, you buy a box of several of the same type and some of them burn out and need to be replaced after less hours of use than others from the same box.

Answer choice (D) states this. 

I'm going to bet that you went with trap answer choice (E).  If not then you likely went with (A)

Answer choice (E) is a very crafty trap answer with how the question is constructed.  If the question stem was changed to make it a Strengthen the argument question type, answer choice (E) would be the credited response since the stimulus is an argument and (E) clearly provides support for the conclusion. 

To ad insult to injury in terms of how (E) is an attractive trap answer based on the construction of the problem, the question stem uses the phrase 'most strongly supported'.  If you are not reading carefully and critically it is really easy to mistake the question stem as a strengthen the argument question instead of an inference/conclusion question type.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: MAS: Welcomes Our New Socialist Overlord
« on: November 14, 2010, 07:37:32 AM »
Wally here.

I thought that it would be nice to check in as a 3L.  Not knowing what else to say, I thought I would share two observations:

1) As utterly ridiculous as my neuroticism was (and I am embarrassed by it, in retrospect), it may have been warranted.  How ironic: every last anxiety-ridden bit of it has become something of conventional wisdom.  T6 still not a good idea at sticker?  Check.  Studying for daylight?  Check.  Not counting on any BigLaw position?  Ditto.

2) Ideally, life is long and full of surprises.  As cliche as it sounds, I hope that the last two years have made all of us more open-minded about what qualifies as our future.  When I was a few years younger, I was always stressed because I tried to will certain predetermined outcomes.  I would map out my future and then panic if anything went awry.  These days, I just focus on living.  Eating.  Enjoying whatever it is I do.  Miss one job, I hope I find another.  Not this girl, I hit on another.  "One doctor, one ecstasy, one illness, one woman, one man / May hide another.  Pause to let the first one pass . . . It can be important / To have waited at least a moment to see what was already there."

Because wally should always be quoted for posterity.

That was beautiful.

Yes, yes it was.  I was moved by it.

I remember the days when he was a 0L prepping for the LSAT and blowing up the LSAT boards with questions and other stuff.  It has always been lots of fun interacting with him.

Wally, please put us in your memoirs!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Old tests
« on: November 12, 2010, 10:54:16 PM »

For some reason, near me, there's a little street shop that sells copies of every LSAT test and their answer keys. It even has the one from October 2010. Is it illegal to share or post these online? I'm assuming it is, but I figure they'd be helpful to a lot of people when studying for the tests..

Do they reuse the same questions a lot?

LSAC does not reuse questions from previously administered LSAT tests that have been disclosed.  Similar concepts and constructions are repeated though since it is a standardized test.

Since the little shop is already selling copies of the October test, they are probably breaking the law by pirating the tests, printing copies of them and not paying LSAC the required licensing fees to reproduce them, but you would have to ask them about what they are up to.  People that have ordered a licensed copy of the October test from LSAC (cost = $8 plus shipping) have not yet received a copy since it takes time to print them with the nice book cover and fulfill orders.

If the shop is selling individual  copies of recent tests for less than $8 each and/or is selling them in electronic form they are certainly violating copyright law by not paying licensing fees to LSAC to do so.

Individually sold recent tests should have a nice thick color cover that looks like:

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Average Student Got top LSAT Scores
« on: November 12, 2010, 10:13:42 PM »
C'mon Jeffort.  You gotta click that "Report to moderator" link, yo.

I did but the comment text box is really small so I hit the back button and posted instead!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Average Student Got top LSAT Scores
« on: November 10, 2010, 06:19:20 AM »
Earlcat, can you do your thing with this spammer?  I doubt the source is even somebody that lives in the USA or Canada and was surprised it didn't ask for peoples personal info with Nigerian spam type promises of sharing millions of $$$'s.

Who the heck calls the LSAT a board exam?  ::)

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Back-up plan
« on: November 10, 2010, 06:02:34 AM »
IMO, NO!  If you are taking the LSAT as a back up plan, you would be going in to law school too casually.  Law school should not be viewed as a back-up plan, a fall back, or something casually pursued.  Do your homework, law school is obscenely expensive and employment stats are not what the law schools say they are.  It is a huge risk for someone with a passion for law and a dream of being a lawyer - it is insanity to casually go into law school as one would any other graduate program.  There are people out there being ruined financially by taking out over $100,000 in loans and not being able to pay them back because they cannot get a job.  The old myth is false - law school is generally not a ticket to a guaranteed high-paying job.  If you do not love the law or have a burning desire to be a lawyer, then forget law school.  Get a MBA if you must, some other masters degree, or a Ph.D., but stay away from law school.

for the most part.

Take the LSAT to try and get into law school as a backup plan for what and to try to accomplish what? 

LS and a career in law is far from being an easy 'get rich quick' career choice.  Especially given everything you have to do just to get accepted and eventually graduate in order to generate a chance of decent employment prospects from it, LS/a career in law is a labor of love.  There are plenty of other career paths that can be financially lucrative with a lot less stress, costs and opportunity costs.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 55,000 ppl took Oct. LSAT
« on: October 15, 2010, 04:45:45 PM »
I hope so. 55,000 is still way too many people.

They haven't received their scores, applied to or been accepted into any LS's yet so I wouldn't stress about the numbers of people.  The scaled score percentile ranking chart has consistently held to a nice bell curve with a median that has hovered around 152 forever.  There have to be lots of people each year that show up unprepared and attempt the test to fill up the achieved scores in the 120 to 150 range to create that statistical data!

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