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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Two Questions
« on: October 06, 2009, 01:24:40 AM »
With a name like "Jeffort" I envision a churchhill-esque looking guy with a monocle and tophat.

Do you have a post-nominal following your last name per chance?

lol, no.  I look nothing close to a churchhill-esque guy.  I'm at a total loss about how my name brings that visual to mind.

Yes to your question.


Pretty much, especially for popular test centers in large populated areas such as parts of New York, Southern California, Chicago and others.  If you want to insure that you get a test center near where you reside so that you don't have to drive really far you should NOT wait until the last minute to register.  Many test centers fill up long before the registration deadline. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: October 02, 2009, 08:23:56 AM »
Business is a boomin.

Should set up a stand outside the ztesting center as folks go in, you'd make a killing.

Matthies, it was probably a typo but you got me laughing in a good way to start the day.  I read your post as 'zesting' center, like the soap.

Their slogan is currently "Zest cleans life's dirt"  and I thought it fit what test day is all about pretty well!   :D

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: October 02, 2009, 08:07:56 AM »
When I sat for the LSAT I didn't even bring a sharpener. Instead, I had nearly 50 presharpened pencils.

Nice, that's one pencil for every two bubbles you fill in or alternatively a good supply to conduct a quick and profitable pre-test swap meet while waiting in the check in line.  A couple of bucks a piece per pencil from people that forgot to bring enough or brought a mechanical pencil instead and you could have recouped part of the test registration fee.

That could really be a profitable venture. 

According to the LSAC test day rules:

Items Allowed on the Desktop

Test takers may only have tissues, ID, wooden pencils, erasers, a pencil sharpener, highlighter, and analog (nondigital) wristwatch. No electronic devices are permitted. No timers of any kind except analog wristwatches.

Noting the plural use of 'pencils' it appears that the rules allow one to bring in as many pencils as you can fit into a one gallon ziplock bag and one could make a killing selling more during the break.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:14:29 PM »

-  Cuz the SAT and other standardized tests banned them cuz a bunch of cheating HS kids wrote out cheat sheets and stuff on small strips of paper they rolled up and stuck inside the tube of a mechanical pencil a number of years back to get into college.


Your shitting me, seriously if people are smart enough to come up with these ways to cheat, then just study, I mean it seems like finding a new way to cheat takes more energy than just studying. I know for the bar we had to take all the lables off of any thing we brought in to eat or drink (or we were supposed to, but half the people did not seem to read the directions and only about half the protors enforced it). I guess maybe people put answers on the isnide of the lable on sosda or something. but geeze, too much work, just study!

PS OP great post thanks for sharing and welcome to LSD as a poster!

Not shitting you, stuff like that happened with the SAT and other tests a number of years ago.

No kidding about simply using time and energy to study. I cannot understand the cheating mentality.  All the time and effort creating such schemes has to be much more than what it would take to just learn the stuff to perform well, plus the offenders get the guilt, fear and anxiety about getting caught and trying to keep their lies straight.  That is unless the offender is a sociopath.

They really have a bar exam rule in your state banning labels on snacks and drink items?  That is preposterous!  Peeling the label completely off a beverage bottle can be tough (How the heck would you glue it back on unripped after writing microprint stuff on the back?), plus, who wants to eat a stale dried out energy bar that has been out of the wrapper for a while? 

What's next? Naked testing?  Make everyone strip down in one room, then proctors issue each person a few pencils and a towel to put on the seat of their chair as they are herded one by one into the testing room? 

Just like in grade school, it only takes a few jack-arse hoodlums to spoil things and get everyone punished. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ordering Tests from the LSAC
« on: September 30, 2009, 12:43:05 PM »
Does anyone know how long LSAC says it usually takes to ship preptests? I remember their policy on the books was something absurd like 4-6 weeks.

LSAC is notoriously slow processing and shipping out orders of PrepTests.  Amazon is much faster at processing and shipping orders to get you the same prep materials for the same or sometimes lower cost (shipping prices, etc.) depending on current Amazon promotions.  Plus, will show whether they have the items in stock and available to ship before you place an order.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Sept. '09 LSAT DONE...FIRST POST!
« on: September 30, 2009, 10:12:54 AM »
#1:  Scores are typically released (and have been for many years now) before the deadline date listed in your documents/on the LSAC web page.  That date is a drop dead, must have them released by then deadline.  So, based on history you will very likely receive your scores in advance of that date.  Stop stressing about it, they will send you an email with your score and you will then be able to access all the disclosure files about the test and your score upon release.

#2:  Please take this seriously people.  Asking about and trying to discuss the contents and substance of an administered test online or however prior to it being disclosed by LSAC is very far from being Kosher and carries great risks to your future.  That warning in the thread thumb-tacked at the top of the index IS from LSAC TEST SECURITY.  It is no internet joke/prank.  They DID post that and have posted that same thing repeatedly here and on the other boards for a few years now.  LSAC test security DOES read and patrol the boards and takes these issues seriously to try to insure the fairness of the test process. 

From what they say, and from what they have told me, they would rather be able to rely on the honor code where everyone simply obeys the rules and is honest rather than having to get all draconian with investigations and such that can potentially lead to offenders/cheaters getting into lots of trouble that can possibly tank a persons opportunity to gain Law School admission and later have a career as a lawyer. 

Not that this should even need to be said yet again, Just remember, the gatekeepers are watching and blatant cheaters/rule breakers will not be tolerated. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:04:16 AM »
Wow!  Great posts/thread you made. 

Very cool of you to take the time to do that and give back to others.  The world needs more people like you with your attitude, perspective and generosity.  You have my respect. 

I hope when scores come out you receive good news that will make you happy and be a good payoff to you for your efforts. 

As for why they prohibited using mechanical pencils to take the LSAT, I've been confused about the philosophy behind that policy change since it went into effect and have various competing theories.  Perhaps we should speculate about that and maybe even make a thread for the topic!

Some of my random theories:

-  So that angry frustrated test takers don't have possession of a super sharp pointed cylindrical object made out of metal or strong synthetic material that can be used to shank a proctor or fellow testee with in a fit of rage.

-  LSAC was tired of getting complaints from people about being distracted during the test by clicking noises around them. (the ADD/ADHD people tend to be of above average intelligence and make up a decent proportion of those seeking LS but are easily distracted and thrown off by little noises when trying to hyper focus!)

-  LSAC was lobbied by the lumber industry and by the companies that make old fashioned pencils but not mechanical ones to help beef up sales of wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners.   

-  The sharp point of mechanical pencil 'lead' punched holes in the bubble sheets of test takers that were angry, push down hard and use a lot of pressure bubblers causing paper jams in the scanning machines at LSAC headquarters (this relates to theory #1, but better to have holes in paper than in someones flesh!)

-  Cuz the SAT and other standardized tests banned them cuz a bunch of cheating HS kids wrote out cheat sheets and stuff on small strips of paper they rolled up and stuck inside the tube of a mechanical pencil a number of years back to get into college.

Anyone have other theories? 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: please help - cancellation issue
« on: September 30, 2009, 01:20:38 AM »
That sucks that you got injured shortly before the test date.  I hope you are recovering well.

Obviously it is not a great situation you are in with the choices, but based on what you said I would go with canceling it again and re-taking it later as the lessor of two evils.

There is a GIANT difference in the percentile rank between a low/mid 150's score and a low 160's score.

That monumental difference greatly influences the level (ranking, future job prospects, etc.) of LS's your LSAT score puts you in range of for admission chances. 

While 3 cancellations generally looks bad and deserves a good explanation in an addendum to your applications, it looks better than 2 cancellations, one middle of the road mediocre score and one much better score since the schools you apply to would see both scores while reviewing your application and consider both even though most schools now claim to just take your highest reported score.

Depending on the circumstances and details of the struggles and adversities you have faced you can possibly turn this around into a positive in your application materials to get schools to look past 3 cancellations and simultaneously accentuate your strong qualities with a unique/compelling/attention grabbing application if you perform well and score in the 160's with a re-take. 

Something along the lines of illustrating you as a person with the attitude and work ethic of I get Knocked Down, but I get up again, aint nothing going to keep me down!

You could make use of the fact that while physically injured, healing and recuperating, instead of just convalescing in bed and blowing off showing up for the test you pushed yourself to show up and tried your hardest that day in whatever condition you were in.  That demonstrates motivation, dedication and following through with your responsibilities.  Law Schools like hard workers that follow through with their responsibilities and push themselves even when facing obstacles. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Two Questions
« on: September 29, 2009, 01:40:40 PM »
Look who's back!

Is it Elvis?  ;)  I think I saw him having lunch at a diner the other day with big foot and Michael Jackson.

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