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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Preptest Study Order
« on: October 06, 2009, 01:55:36 AM »
Does anyone have a suggested order to tackle the LSAT Preptests?
I am taking the December LSAT and have finally aquired all the preptests.  I'm looking for a good regimen to propel me through the next few months.

Thanks in advance!

A rough order of older to newer along the lines of what All Star said is a good idea for doing full length timed practice tests as part of your prep routine to measure progress leading up to test day and for ONCE you are ready to focus more on timing and taking full timed tests more regularly.

To start your prep routine since it sounds like you are just getting going, aside from doing one initial full timed practice test ASAP (and you should use a pretty recent one for this, like say the June 2007 LSAT) to get a baseline indication of your pre-prep starting score range, DO NOT jump right into just churning and burning by doing a bunch of timed tests prior to learning and studying the concepts that are tested.

After taking an initial baseline practice test you should go through the tests un-timed/in slow motion with the focus of getting familiar with the various repetitive concepts/patterns/question types/game types/etc. as well as learning and practicing good logically based techniques to apply. 

Work the problems slowly and carefully at first.  Study and practice with older materials during the majority of your prep time making sure to spend a lot of time reviewing mistakes and concepts you are weak on.  During this time, which should be the bulk of your prep time, bouncing around through the tests to organize your use by concepts and question types is better than basing it mainly on the age of the test.   Lather rinse repeat while slowly moving into the phase of mostly taking full timed tests shortly before test day. 

Save a majority of the most recent tests for OCCASIONAL timed practice to measure your progress as you go along.  During your untimed prep/study and learning time it is better to organize your use of the materials around question types and such than by the chronological dates of the preptests. 


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Two Questions
« on: October 06, 2009, 01:28:02 AM »


Heck no.  I'll stick to my current avatar thank you since it's really me!  :D :D


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Two Questions
« on: October 06, 2009, 01:24:40 AM »
With a name like "Jeffort" I envision a churchhill-esque looking guy with a monocle and tophat.

Do you have a post-nominal following your last name per chance?

lol, no.  I look nothing close to a churchhill-esque guy.  I'm at a total loss about how my name brings that visual to mind.

Yes to your question.

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Pretty much, especially for popular test centers in large populated areas such as parts of New York, Southern California, Chicago and others.  If you want to insure that you get a test center near where you reside so that you don't have to drive really far you should NOT wait until the last minute to register.  Many test centers fill up long before the registration deadline. 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: October 02, 2009, 08:23:56 AM »
Business is a boomin.

Should set up a stand outside the ztesting center as folks go in, you'd make a killing.

Matthies, it was probably a typo but you got me laughing in a good way to start the day.  I read your post as 'zesting' center, like the soap. 

http://www.zest.com/

Their slogan is currently "Zest cleans life's dirt"  and I thought it fit what test day is all about pretty well!   :D


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: October 02, 2009, 08:07:56 AM »
When I sat for the LSAT I didn't even bring a sharpener. Instead, I had nearly 50 presharpened pencils.

Nice, that's one pencil for every two bubbles you fill in or alternatively a good supply to conduct a quick and profitable pre-test swap meet while waiting in the check in line.  A couple of bucks a piece per pencil from people that forgot to bring enough or brought a mechanical pencil instead and you could have recouped part of the test registration fee.

That could really be a profitable venture. 

According to the LSAC test day rules:

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Items Allowed on the Desktop

Test takers may only have tissues, ID, wooden pencils, erasers, a pencil sharpener, highlighter, and analog (nondigital) wristwatch. No electronic devices are permitted. No timers of any kind except analog wristwatches.

Noting the plural use of 'pencils' it appears that the rules allow one to bring in as many pencils as you can fit into a one gallon ziplock bag and one could make a killing selling more during the break.



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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:14:29 PM »

-  Cuz the SAT and other standardized tests banned them cuz a bunch of cheating HS kids wrote out cheat sheets and stuff on small strips of paper they rolled up and stuck inside the tube of a mechanical pencil a number of years back to get into college.

 


Your shitting me, seriously if people are smart enough to come up with these ways to cheat, then just study, I mean it seems like finding a new way to cheat takes more energy than just studying. I know for the bar we had to take all the lables off of any thing we brought in to eat or drink (or we were supposed to, but half the people did not seem to read the directions and only about half the protors enforced it). I guess maybe people put answers on the isnide of the lable on sosda or something. but geeze, too much work, just study!

PS OP great post thanks for sharing and welcome to LSD as a poster!

Not shitting you, stuff like that happened with the SAT and other tests a number of years ago.

No kidding about simply using time and energy to study. I cannot understand the cheating mentality.  All the time and effort creating such schemes has to be much more than what it would take to just learn the stuff to perform well, plus the offenders get the guilt, fear and anxiety about getting caught and trying to keep their lies straight.  That is unless the offender is a sociopath.

They really have a bar exam rule in your state banning labels on snacks and drink items?  That is preposterous!  Peeling the label completely off a beverage bottle can be tough (How the heck would you glue it back on unripped after writing microprint stuff on the back?), plus, who wants to eat a stale dried out energy bar that has been out of the wrapper for a while? 

What's next? Naked testing?  Make everyone strip down in one room, then proctors issue each person a few pencils and a towel to put on the seat of their chair as they are herded one by one into the testing room? 

Just like in grade school, it only takes a few jack-arse hoodlums to spoil things and get everyone punished. 


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ordering Tests from the LSAC
« on: September 30, 2009, 12:43:05 PM »
Does anyone know how long LSAC says it usually takes to ship preptests? I remember their policy on the books was something absurd like 4-6 weeks.

LSAC is notoriously slow processing and shipping out orders of PrepTests.  Amazon is much faster at processing and shipping orders to get you the same prep materials for the same or sometimes lower cost (shipping prices, etc.) depending on current Amazon promotions.  Plus, amazon.com will show whether they have the items in stock and available to ship before you place an order.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Sept. '09 LSAT DONE...FIRST POST!
« on: September 30, 2009, 10:12:54 AM »
#1:  Scores are typically released (and have been for many years now) before the deadline date listed in your documents/on the LSAC web page.  That date is a drop dead, must have them released by then deadline.  So, based on history you will very likely receive your scores in advance of that date.  Stop stressing about it, they will send you an email with your score and you will then be able to access all the disclosure files about the test and your score upon release.

#2:  Please take this seriously people.  Asking about and trying to discuss the contents and substance of an administered test online or however prior to it being disclosed by LSAC is very far from being Kosher and carries great risks to your future.  That warning in the thread thumb-tacked at the top of the index IS from LSAC TEST SECURITY.  It is no internet joke/prank.  They DID post that and have posted that same thing repeatedly here and on the other boards for a few years now.  LSAC test security DOES read and patrol the boards and takes these issues seriously to try to insure the fairness of the test process. 

From what they say, and from what they have told me, they would rather be able to rely on the honor code where everyone simply obeys the rules and is honest rather than having to get all draconian with investigations and such that can potentially lead to offenders/cheaters getting into lots of trouble that can possibly tank a persons opportunity to gain Law School admission and later have a career as a lawyer. 

Not that this should even need to be said yet again, Just remember, the gatekeepers are watching and blatant cheaters/rule breakers will not be tolerated. 



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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:04:16 AM »
Wow!  Great posts/thread you made. 

Very cool of you to take the time to do that and give back to others.  The world needs more people like you with your attitude, perspective and generosity.  You have my respect. 

I hope when scores come out you receive good news that will make you happy and be a good payoff to you for your efforts. 

As for why they prohibited using mechanical pencils to take the LSAT, I've been confused about the philosophy behind that policy change since it went into effect and have various competing theories.  Perhaps we should speculate about that and maybe even make a thread for the topic!

Some of my random theories:

-  So that angry frustrated test takers don't have possession of a super sharp pointed cylindrical object made out of metal or strong synthetic material that can be used to shank a proctor or fellow testee with in a fit of rage.

-  LSAC was tired of getting complaints from people about being distracted during the test by clicking noises around them. (the ADD/ADHD people tend to be of above average intelligence and make up a decent proportion of those seeking LS but are easily distracted and thrown off by little noises when trying to hyper focus!)

-  LSAC was lobbied by the lumber industry and by the companies that make old fashioned pencils but not mechanical ones to help beef up sales of wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners.   

-  The sharp point of mechanical pencil 'lead' punched holes in the bubble sheets of test takers that were angry, push down hard and use a lot of pressure bubblers causing paper jams in the scanning machines at LSAC headquarters (this relates to theory #1, but better to have holes in paper than in someones flesh!)

-  Cuz the SAT and other standardized tests banned them cuz a bunch of cheating HS kids wrote out cheat sheets and stuff on small strips of paper they rolled up and stuck inside the tube of a mechanical pencil a number of years back to get into college.

Anyone have other theories? 

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