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New PSA:  www.lsatdiscussion.com is back up and I Jeffort am back at your service for LSAT prep advice and also for some online fun. 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: How much time did you spend studying?
« on: January 05, 2010, 11:55:37 PM »
I've heard something about "peaking" too early with LSAT study; would studying now lead to that early "peaking" before the June test?

This "peaking" stuff is a bunch of nonsense.  This would be like worrying about starting to practice too early before a violin recital.  The LSAT is a skill test.  While you might get rusty if you stop practicing for a good length of time, you shouldn't expect to lose skill by practicing for too many months.



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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: January 05, 2010, 08:08:54 PM »

Wow!  Great posts/thread you made.  

Very cool of you to take the time to do that and give back to others.  The world needs more people like you with your attitude, perspective and generosity.  You have my respect.  

I hope when scores come out you receive good news that will make you happy and be a good payoff to you for your efforts.  

As for why they prohibited using mechanical pencils to take the LSAT, I've been confused about the philosophy behind that policy change since it went into effect and have various competing theories.  Perhaps we should speculate about that and maybe even make a thread for the topic!

Some of my random theories:

-  So that angry frustrated test takers don't have possession of a super sharp pointed cylindrical object made out of metal or strong synthetic material that can be used to shank a proctor or fellow testee with in a fit of rage.

-  LSAC was tired of getting complaints from people about being distracted during the test by clicking noises around them. (the ADD/ADHD people tend to be of above average intelligence and make up a decent proportion of those seeking LS but are easily distracted and thrown off by little noises when trying to hyper focus!)

-  LSAC was lobbied by the lumber industry and by the companies that make old fashioned pencils but not mechanical ones to help beef up sales of wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners.  

-  The sharp point of mechanical pencil 'lead' punched holes in the bubble sheets of test takers that were angry, push down hard and use a lot of pressure bubblers causing paper jams in the scanning machines at LSAC headquarters (this relates to theory #1, but better to have holes in paper than in someones flesh!)

-  Cuz the SAT and other standardized tests banned them cuz a bunch of cheating HS kids wrote out cheat sheets and stuff on small strips of paper they rolled up and stuck inside the tube of a mechanical pencil a number of years back to get into college.

Anyone have other theories?  



LOL. The ADD/ADHD comment is great. My first diagnostic score was 152, second time it was 149 (tiny distractions). This is very frustrating. I am in the process of getting diagnosed with ADD; so this was much needed comic relief considering my lowering score.  ;)


Glad I was able to provide some comic relief and raise your spirits.  

Good luck with the ADD diagnosis thing and with the subsequent meds/treatment they Rx if it is confirmed that you have it.  I hope you are being assessed and treated by an ADD/ADHD specialist and not by a general practitioner.  It's a complex condition with variations and finding the right ADD/ADHD medication and dosage that works for you can be difficult and typically requires a time period of trial and error and adjustments to get it right. Of the main 4 commonly Rx'd meds, Adderall, Dexedrine, Desoxyn, and Ritalin, different people experience wildly different results from each.  For example, many people that have been put on Desoxyn end up going pretty nutty from it while it works well for others.  

I've got plenty of experience with and knowledge about this condition for many reasons.  

There are also dietary/nutritional things you can do that help a lot with it.

Check out http://www.addforums.com/ for a wealth of information and experiences etc. from fellow ADD/ADHDers  ;)



Thanks

Thanks for that link, it has a lot of good information. I live in KS, I haven't found a specialist yet. I was diagnosed yesterday and I have a med eval in a couple of weeks. My practitioner also believes meds will help me a lot. I look forward to the results considering that I do terrible in reading comprehension specifically due to ADD, this alone would raise my score significantly. Anyway, thank you.


Good luck with it all.  Just realize that it is a condition that can, when managed properly, be used to your advantage, especially with all the information overloads you get everywhere these days.

I don't understand how the cable news channels expect people to be able to read the running really fast ticker tape at the bottom as well as pay attention to the broadcast, especially when there are three talking heads arguing and talking over each other at the same time.  My simple request is that one person talk at a time and let the one talking finish his/her sentence.  It aggravates me a lot when people disrespectfully talk over others and don't even let the person they are having a conversation with finish a sentence.  How else are you going to have a meaningful conversation and know what you are responding to if you don't let the other person speak a full sentence that you listen to?   That type of stuff really bothers me.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ear plugs when taking the LSAT
« on: January 04, 2010, 01:25:27 PM »

I think this thread should be locked.  It is ridiculous how many replies this ridiculous post is getting, and ironically I'm adding to that number.  ???

Based on your hostile and ridiculous posts filled with anger and unreasonableness that borders on sounding like the rantings of a mental patient in a manic phase, perhaps you are the thing that deserves to be locked up and then properly medicated.  

Asking and talking about earplugs is a legitimate topic.  Some people, like ones with ADD/ADHD get easily distracted and thrown off their train of thought by stray noises.  

Plus, there have been administrations where the schools marching band was practicing right next to the building the test was being administered in.

As far as I can tell, part of the justification for the no earplugs policy (they used to allow them) is to make sure students can and do hear the instructions and the section time notifications (like 5 minutes left or section over, move ahead to the next section).  

There also may be and I suspect that other reasons for the policy change and prohibition of them is related to test security to prevent cheating due to all the new tech communication devices that have become available.  There are ones you can hide inconspicuously in your ear, communicate with, and use as a method to get assistance with the test while taking it to cheat your way into a higher score.



may I also say, that if you side with those who would not make a simple gesture as sharing an answer key, that you too are a c*nt?  

Sir, if you legitimately obtain your LSAT materials the answer keys are included.  Unless LSAC made a policy change I'm unaware of that first started being applied to the December 2009 test (they did not!), it is and has always been the case that if you take the test and cancel your score, when scores are released you have access to the full test you took AND the corresponding answer key.  You just don't get to see the answer choices you selected.  

LSAC has not changed that policy:
http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/InformationBookweb.pdf
Page #23

"If you cancel your score, you will not receive a score or copy of your answer sheet.  You will receive written notification of a score cancellation and, if you took a disclosed test,  you will receive a copy of the test questions and the credited responses for the scored sections as well."

Cussing at and referring to people with derogatory terms for refusing to break the law and the legally binding agreement they entered into with LSAC to take the test to try to get into Law School illustrates your character and lack of ethics.  

If you actually did take the December test did you look carefully at your available candidate and test disclosure information on the LSAC web page while logged in?  There are multiple files in PDF form that you have to download individually.  

If in fact you have a copy of the December test and do not have the answer key there are two main possibilities:

#1  You didn't actually take the test and are infringing copyrights by getting the test files from someone that did take it but they didn't also email you their candidate score report (the document that contains the answer key).

#2  You did take the test and simply haven't found the candidate score report pdf file in your account.

Based on your behavior/posts you seem to be a dishonest person that lacks good moral character, honesty and integrity.

Please stop being a hostile jack-arse.


#1  I am not dishonest, but no matter what I say you won't believe that because you are an angel who doesn't sin.

Edit:  I think it is worth noting that I have provided many people with useful and valid advice.  Anyone who thinks otherwise either doesn't know what they're talking about or is just hating.  I am not a dishonest person.  I'm not a saint like you and vesperholly and even Irrx, but hey, I'm human, unlike all of you. :D

#2  My calling you a c*nt isn't any worse than you scorning me.  I didn't post vesperholly's inital reaction when I asked for the answer key, but the word she used was far worse, and it started with an F.

#3  Quit it with the sanctimonious attitude.  Somebody providing me the answer key would simply be sharing.  It's not as if I would put it online to be pirated.  If that was my true intention, I could easily wait until late January to get a copy of the test.  People who think I'm so cheap as to pay the few bucks for the test are out of their minds.  I suppose it's possible if someone is dirt poor, but I am not.

#4  Is a pirated copy of the December 2009 LSAT even available online? I don't think it is.

Dude, you claimed that you took the December 2009 LSAT, have a copy of the test and asked others to give you the answer key.  

It's simple, if in fact you did take the test and have a copy of it you have access to the answer key via logging into your account at www.lsac.org whether you cancelled or not. Scores have been released, the test form disclosure including the score conversion chart and answer key is available to any person that took a disclosed version of the test (unlike international test takers or Saturday Sabbath people that took it on Monday, they don't get any test content disclosure).

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4022483.msg5372224.html#msg5372224

I just got this personal message from someone with the screen name llsatt1:

Would you be so kind as to send me the answer key for the December LSAT.  You should be able to just save it to your computer from LSAC and email it.  I would really appreciate it if you could!

How do you guys handle this? For the record, I think it's a jackass maneuver.

So what is the problem and why are you being very combative with everyone?


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ear plugs when taking the LSAT
« on: January 03, 2010, 04:27:56 PM »

I think this thread should be locked.  It is ridiculous how many replies this ridiculous post is getting, and ironically I'm adding to that number.  ???

Based on your hostile and ridiculous posts filled with anger and unreasonableness that borders on sounding like the rantings of a mental patient in a manic phase, perhaps you are the thing that deserves to be locked up and then properly medicated. 

Asking and talking about earplugs is a legitimate topic.  Some people, like ones with ADD/ADHD get easily distracted and thrown off their train of thought by stray noises. 

Plus, there have been administrations where the schools marching band was practicing right next to the building the test was being administered in.

As far as I can tell, part of the justification for the no earplugs policy (they used to allow them) is to make sure students can and do hear the instructions and the section time notifications (like 5 minutes left or section over, move ahead to the next section). 

There also may be and I suspect that other reasons for the policy change and prohibition of them is related to test security to prevent cheating due to all the new tech communication devices that have become available.  There are ones you can hide inconspicuously in your ear, communicate with, and use as a method to get assistance with the test while taking it to cheat your way into a higher score.



may I also say, that if you side with those who would not make a simple gesture as sharing an answer key, that you too are a c*nt? 

Sir, if you legitimately obtain your LSAT materials the answer keys are included.  Unless LSAC made a policy change I'm unaware of that first started being applied to the December 2009 test (they did not!), it is and has always been the case that if you take the test and cancel your score, when scores are released you have access to the full test you took AND the corresponding answer key.  You just don't get to see the answer choices you selected. 

LSAC has not changed that policy:
http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/InformationBookweb.pdf
Page #23

"If you cancel your score, you will not receive a score or copy of your answer sheet.  You will receive written notification of a score cancellation and, if you took a disclosed test,  you will receive a copy of the test questions and the credited responses for the scored sections as well."

Cussing at and referring to people with derogatory terms for refusing to break the law and the legally binding agreement they entered into with LSAC to take the test to try to get into Law School illustrates your character and lack of ethics. 

If you actually did take the December test did you look carefully at your available candidate and test disclosure information on the LSAC web page while logged in?  There are multiple files in PDF form that you have to download individually. 

If in fact you have a copy of the December test and do not have the answer key there are two main possibilities:

#1  You didn't actually take the test and are infringing copyrights by getting the test files from someone that did take it but they didn't also email you their candidate score report (the document that contains the answer key).

#2  You did take the test and simply haven't found the candidate score report pdf file in your account.

Based on your behavior/posts you seem to be a dishonest person that lacks good moral character, honesty and integrity.

Please stop being a hostile jack-arse.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ear plugs when taking the LSAT
« on: January 03, 2010, 01:04:01 AM »

I think this thread should be locked.  It is ridiculous how many replies this ridiculous post is getting, and ironically I'm adding to that number.  ???

Based on your hostile and ridiculous posts filled with anger and unreasonableness that borders on sounding like the rantings of a mental patient in a manic phase, perhaps you are the thing that deserves to be locked up and then properly medicated. 

Asking and talking about earplugs is a legitimate topic.  Some people, like ones with ADD/ADHD get easily distracted and thrown off their train of thought by stray noises. 

Plus, there have been administrations where the schools marching band was practicing right next to the building the test was being administered in.

As far as I can tell, part of the justification for the no earplugs policy (they used to allow them) is to make sure students can and do hear the instructions and the section time notifications (like 5 minutes left or section over, move ahead to the next section). 

There also may be and I suspect that other reasons for the policy change and prohibition of them is related to test security to prevent cheating due to all the new tech communication devices that have become available.  There are ones you can hide inconspicuously in your ear, communicate with, and use as a method to get assistance with the test while taking it to cheat your way into a higher score.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT score
« on: December 28, 2009, 10:53:12 PM »
It's a tough call to make and very much depends if you have decided 'have to get in this cycle'

Southwestern does accept February scores and llsatt1 is correct, their application deadline is April 1st.  But it's kinda fuzzy with the way they word it and imply that that is not an absolute deadline:


http://www.swlaw.edu/studentservices/jdadmin/applicants
Application Deadline

Applications are reviewed as they are completed. Students are therefore strongly advised to apply as early as possible and are encouraged to submit all application materials no later than April 1. Files submitted at later dates will be considered on an individual basis. Applicants should be aware, however, that waiting lists are often established as early as March, and eligibility for certain forms of financial aid most preferred by students (e.g., scholarship programs) may be reduced substantially after April 1.

However, no matter your GPA, you need a higher LSAT score to have a decent chance of admission.
See:  
http://www.swlaw.edu/studentservices/jdadmin/prospects





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Studying for the LSAT / Re: other LSAT discussion boards
« on: December 28, 2009, 06:20:26 AM »
I know Jeffort had to delete all his old stuff from LSD and LSATdiscussion, but did he save it anywhere before deleting? It'd be great if he could repost it now.

In the process of reconstruction and rebuilding it.  It's up and running again now as the same no frills content based friendly board for students prepping for the test with experts available to provide free advice.

Unfortunately the previous server ate the content I wasn't able to archive but that doesn't prevent me from writing it again!  :)

It is and will be a troll and flame free LSAT prep zone as before, and of course fun and entertainment (like youtubes) is welcome. 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ear plugs when taking the LSAT
« on: December 26, 2009, 03:32:52 PM »
i took the LSAT this past saturday and right before we start the exam a young lady asked if she could use her ear plugs. the proctor asked his supervisor was it ok and they allowed her to use them. so i guess it really does depend on the testing site. i wish i had known that. i guess its no harm in asking.

Wow, that's good news. I have a hard time blocking out background noise in certain situations. I can see myself rereading some of the harder Logical Reasoning questions over and over if I had distracting noise to contend with.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Don't count on asking for and being given permission to bring in and wear earplugs.  They are strictly prohibited by the LSAC rules, they are on the list of banned items that you are not even allowed to bring into the test center/room.

If that story is true about a girl getting permission to use them during the last test, the proctors messed up and didn't know what rules they were supposed to be enforcing.  That is not surprising given that many proctors are old retired people that don't even know what the LSAT is that simply want to get out of the house on a Saturday to do something and be around young people for a while. 

If you bring anything that is on the prohibited list in your one gallon ziplock bag that is the only thing you're allowed to bring stuff into the test center with and you have a proctor that is familiar with the rules and also a rule enforcer/obey the law type of person, (which they are supposed to be, pretty much the LSAT police!) you risk getting written up for misconduct.  If that happens the misconduct citation is noted on your LSAC candidate report that Law Schools receive when you apply.  Law Schools don't like rule/law breakers/cheaters since lawyers are supposed to uphold the law.

Like already said, study and practice in locations that have some noise and distractions to get used to focusing and tunning it out.


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Thanks Guys! My LSAT Experience
« on: December 26, 2009, 12:48:54 PM »

Wow!  Great posts/thread you made. 

Very cool of you to take the time to do that and give back to others.  The world needs more people like you with your attitude, perspective and generosity.  You have my respect. 

I hope when scores come out you receive good news that will make you happy and be a good payoff to you for your efforts. 

As for why they prohibited using mechanical pencils to take the LSAT, I've been confused about the philosophy behind that policy change since it went into effect and have various competing theories.  Perhaps we should speculate about that and maybe even make a thread for the topic!

Some of my random theories:

-  So that angry frustrated test takers don't have possession of a super sharp pointed cylindrical object made out of metal or strong synthetic material that can be used to shank a proctor or fellow testee with in a fit of rage.

-  LSAC was tired of getting complaints from people about being distracted during the test by clicking noises around them. (the ADD/ADHD people tend to be of above average intelligence and make up a decent proportion of those seeking LS but are easily distracted and thrown off by little noises when trying to hyper focus!)

-  LSAC was lobbied by the lumber industry and by the companies that make old fashioned pencils but not mechanical ones to help beef up sales of wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners.   

-  The sharp point of mechanical pencil 'lead' punched holes in the bubble sheets of test takers that were angry, push down hard and use a lot of pressure bubblers causing paper jams in the scanning machines at LSAC headquarters (this relates to theory #1, but better to have holes in paper than in someones flesh!)

-  Cuz the SAT and other standardized tests banned them cuz a bunch of cheating HS kids wrote out cheat sheets and stuff on small strips of paper they rolled up and stuck inside the tube of a mechanical pencil a number of years back to get into college.

Anyone have other theories? 



LOL. The ADD/ADHD comment is great. My first diagnostic score was 152, second time it was 149 (tiny distractions). This is very frustrating. I am in the process of getting diagnosed with ADD; so this was much needed comic relief considering my lowering score.  ;)


Glad I was able to provide some comic relief and raise your spirits. 

Good luck with the ADD diagnosis thing and with the subsequent meds/treatment they Rx if it is confirmed that you have it.  I hope you are being assessed and treated by an ADD/ADHD specialist and not by a general practitioner.  It's a complex condition with variations and finding the right ADD/ADHD medication and dosage that works for you can be difficult and typically requires a time period of trial and error and adjustments to get it right. Of the main 4 commonly Rx'd meds, Adderall, Dexedrine, Desoxyn, and Ritalin, different people experience wildly different results from each.  For example, many people that have been put on Desoxyn end up going pretty nutty from it while it works well for others. 

I've got plenty of experience with and knowledge about this condition for many reasons. 

There are also dietary/nutritional things you can do that help a lot with it.

Check out http://www.addforums.com/ for a wealth of information and experiences etc. from fellow ADD/ADHDers  ;)


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