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Unless you can transfer to a top 20 school or a school in the market you want to work in, dont do it. There is nothing to be gained by going from a tier 3 to a tier 2 or something like that. Even if you can transfer into a low tier 1 with medianish grades, I dont see any advantage. If you want biglaw, kick ass at your current school i.e. top 10% then stay there if the school places well in the market you want to work in, if not transfer to the t14+UCLA, Vandy, or maybe UT. As someone who transferred I speak from experience.

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Law School Applications / Re: Tier 3 with full ride or Tier 1 with no money
« on: December 13, 2008, 10:08:55 AM »
Go to the t7-14 that gives you the most money. Vandy would be fine if you are top 1/2 at least. It is not worth the risk if you have t14 options. unless you want to stay in KY dont go to UK.

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It is out of the question. Time to explore plan B

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If you want to practice in Pitt go to Pitt. going to a school ranked in the 30s will not help you at all.  if it is a t14 it will help you, otherwise treat all the schools ranked from about 20-80 as roughly equal and go where you want to practice. if Pitt is giving you $ this is a no-brainer

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Best and Worst Advice
« on: December 05, 2008, 08:28:33 AM »
I basically did everything wrong when I applied.  I didnt put much effort into studying for the LSAT. No prep course, no practice tests other than doing a few individual sections in the kaplan book.  I honestly had no idea how critical it is to the admission process. I applied late, at least later than I should have (November I think). I was a splitter, but a crappy LSAT and a really crappy GPA.  I applied to schools that were desperate for higher LSAT scores. That was the one smart move I made. 
Apply to a lot of places, especially schools that like your admission index.  I didnt really get into any "reaches" but I had no soft factors. One additional piece of advice. 
If you are not getting into a T17ish type school (I would include UCLA, Texas, and Vandy), take the scholarship $. The job prospects at Iowa, Indiana, WUSTL or a similar school are not significantly better than they are at Loyola or other tier 2 or 3 schools. 
I am staring at 150k of debt when I graduate in May.  It is daunting.  Dont put yourself in that position if you are not going to a good school, t17ish. I took a big, foolish risk and luckily it paid off.
If you dont crack the t17 or so, then take the money, unless it is from Cooley or a similarly bad school.  Also, kick ass as a 1L. You have no idea how important your first year is. I did well and it set me up. I transferred to a very good school and I am going to start work at my 2nd choice firm next fall (Wachtell rejected me, but I knew I had no shot). To succeed as a 1L there are a couple of things you should know. 

If you cant type 40+wpm, then improve your typing. Some law school exams are a race.
Someone said not to read the basics on 1L subjects during the summer before your 1L year.  That is bad advice. I didnt do it, but it cant hurt and the highest GPA after my 1L year did this. 
Take practice tests. As many as you can.
Make your own outlines, at least as a 1L.
Don't ditch class, at least as a 1L.

Good luck.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Indiana-Bloomington
« on: March 13, 2007, 11:16:02 AM »
Youre welcome, best of luck with your decision, and I hope to see you here next year

I am a 1L there now.
Construction is in the library, but it isnt bad at all.  They are making more offices, for additional faculty that they are bringing in to increase their faculty/student ratio. 
Best places to live?  depends on what you want, apartment?  go to poolside.  it is the equivalent of a law school dorm.  there are probably about 30 1L's who live there this year.  Rent is cheap.  I am in a 3 bedroom house about a 10 minute walk from school for a grand a month.
Summer start.  I didnt do it, but the pros are you get to make friends with the smaller # of people who do summer start.  Your 1L fall semester is much easier because you take legal professions instead of criminal law.  You get more credits out of the way so your courseload can be lighter in 2L or 3L year.  The cons are having to sublet a place for the summer, which isnt hard, most 1Ls are trying to unload them for the summer.  I didnt do summer start because I was working up until the start of school, and needed to make money.
Atmosphere is very cool.  Cooperative, not competitive.  The town is nice, it really is the quintissential college town. 
Post any other questions, and I will answer them

thanks dude

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Youre welcome, best of luck with the decision making process, and I hope to see you here next year.


IUB09,

Thanks sooooooooo much for the info!  Really  :) I am currently overseas so I will not be able to attend the Spring Law Day, unfortunately.  I am currently reading "Law School for Dummies" and it was written by a IUB alum.  So among the tips, sometimes she says things like, "At Indiana.." and I get extra nuggets of juicy info.

Thanks again for the info!!

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Spring law day is pretty cool.  If you havent been to the campus and sat in on a class then I would recommend it.  I went last year and they had a fake con law class taught by Baude who is an exceptional orator, and a genius. 
I was choosing between Illinois, Indiana, and Lewis and Clark (interest in environmental law)  I visited Champaign and thought it was a dump.  The law school is nice, slate floors, etc...  but the campus was not well integrated, alot of sprawl.  I never visited Lewis and Clark, but their post grad salary data scared me away.  I chose IUB because I liked the town, they gave me some scolarship money, and I really liked the school atmosphere etc...  Also I have been consiering doing a JD/MBA and if you get into the law school and dont flunk the GMAT then the business school lets you in, and it is ranked around 23 in the nation.

Between Wake and IUB it is all about the region, if all other things are equal i.e.(cost, proximity to family, any other considerations).  If you want to practice in NC or the South then go to Wake.  If you want to practice in the midwest, Chicago, St. Louis, or any of the states close to Indiana then come to IU. 

Words of Wisdom: 
Everyone studies hard, and reads every case until they understand it, and noone misses classes.  It is hard to distinguish yourself in class.  You really need to go above and beyond to get top grades.  I recommend using supplements extensively, and taking every practice test that you can.  Also begin your outlines early.  You will have a fall break and that is a perfect time to begin compiling and sorting through your notes. 
Take advantage of the time that you are at school.  As a 1L they generally stagger your classes so that you are on campus all day.  You will probably have a class then an hour break then another class etc...  Get your reading done at school, and then leave the evenings for screwing around or reading supplements, or answering practice questions. 
That is all I can think of right now.
If anyone has any other questions I would be happy to answer them as well.




Hi again, all!!

I, too, am trying to get the lowdown on IUB.  Right now, I am leaning heavily towards it.  I am waiting on a few more decisions, but right now it is between Wake and IUB.

IUB09, thanks for all the info!!  It has been really helpful.  I was wondering what other schools were you considering and why did you choose IUB? 

Thanks again for all your help!


Also, any words of wisdom about 1L at IUB that you may want to impart to the prospectives on this board?

I second that.
I'm pretty sure I will be attending the Spring Law Day on the 24th.  Are you involved in this, did you go pre-1L and, if so, did you take away anything useful from it?  I'm deciding whether or not to make the trek.

Also, any words of wisdom about 1L at IUB that you may want to impart to the prospectives on this board?

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1.  I would call it a regional power.  If you want to go to Chicago, Indy, or any other city in the midwest then you have a lot of options.  Also IUB places well in DC.  If you want to practice outside of these areas you will have to grab the bull by the horns.  It can be done.  Just kick ass in school and you will be fine.  Everyone gets a job, and top 1/3 will get you "big" law in the midwest.  I am top 10%, and finding a biglaw job for 1L summer is tough, but I am sure this is the case anywhere outside of the top 14. 
2.  Its cheap, probably comparable to most of the south.  People from Indiana think it is steep, but it isnt bad at all.  you can find a nice 1 bedroom for $600, 2 bed for 700.  Food around town is pretty cheap too, lots of college student options. 
3.  Poolside looks like a dump, but it is alright on the inside, and it is pretty cheap and close to school.  There are plenty of affordable apartments in the area, if you get a little farther from campus there are fewer undergrads, which can be a plus or a minus.
4.  I am old (26) and married so I have a wife and an 80lb black lab.  I would ask at admissions if they can recommend any other incoming 1L's who want a roomie. 


Thanks IUB09 for taking questions:

1. Is the school just a regional power as far as graduate placement is concerned or do you feel like a JD from IU can get you into most markets?  I know it's T1 and thus has better prospects than UTK, the other school I'm considering primarily.

2. COL.  I've heard it's cheap, but I'm coming from the South, so I'm not really sure what to expect.  I've been living in a nice apartment with a friend of mine for a couple of years at $330 each.

3. Poolside.  I've heard it's the "law school dorm" but it looks kind of shady from the outside.  Can you tell me anything that would mitigate this concern (of course, I haven't seen the interior)? Are there other apartments around that are reasonably priced options for LS students?

4. I assume that since you have a house, you found a roommate.  How did you find him/her and was it an easy process?  Did the LS help you find a roommate?

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Indiana-Bloomington
« on: March 12, 2007, 09:46:39 AM »
I am a 1L there now.
Construction is in the library, but it isnt bad at all.  They are making more offices, for additional faculty that they are bringing in to increase their faculty/student ratio. 
Best places to live?  depends on what you want, apartment?  go to poolside.  it is the equivalent of a law school dorm.  there are probably about 30 1L's who live there this year.  Rent is cheap.  I am in a 3 bedroom house about a 10 minute walk from school for a grand a month.
Summer start.  I didnt do it, but the pros are you get to make friends with the smaller # of people who do summer start.  Your 1L fall semester is much easier because you take legal professions instead of criminal law.  You get more credits out of the way so your courseload can be lighter in 2L or 3L year.  The cons are having to sublet a place for the summer, which isnt hard, most 1Ls are trying to unload them for the summer.  I didnt do summer start because I was working up until the start of school, and needed to make money.
Atmosphere is very cool.  Cooperative, not competitive.  The town is nice, it really is the quintissential college town. 
Post any other questions, and I will answer them

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