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Studying for the LSAT / Re: 162 to 170 before October LSAT?
« on: September 13, 2015, 10:30:21 PM »
Without knowing you and your personal abilities, it's pretty much impossible for anyone here to determine whether or not you are capable of getting a 170. Because I don't know you, my comments are going to be fairly general. That said, keep this in mind:

We all have some inherent limitations. For example, no matter how hard I study I will always suck at math. Can I get better at math, and improve my mathematical abilities? Yes, but I'll probably never be in the top 5% of mathematicians no matter what.

When you talk about scoring 170, you're talking about scoring in the top 5%. In order to do better than 95% of the other people you've probably got to have a combination of inherent skills and effective studying. I mean, if all it took to score 170 was tons and tons of studying then lots of people would be scoring 170.

You probably can still raise your score, but by how much? I don't know. A score of 162-ish is good. It means you did better than something like 80% of the people who took the LSAT. I think most people do plateau at some point and are often disappointed with their scores. It's sort of an ego check.

Don't get fixated on a particular score. Focus on understanding the test as best as you possibly can, continue to study effectively, and you will probably get the highest score that you are capable of getting. 

Hi Maintain.

Would you say that, generally speaking, a statistically significant percentage of 0Ls matriculate admitting to an improper or unreasonable purpose in mind?

Trying to think of some examples.

I'm not sure I totally understand the question, but I think a lot of 0Ls simply don't know (1) what lawyers actually do, (2) what law school is actually like, and (3) how to distinguish between realistic and unrealistic goals.

For example, I've met a lot of 0Ls who say "I think I'd be great in law school because I really enjoy arguing." They think it's going to be a three year long version of their high school debate team. They don't understand the academic nature of a JD program.

I've also met 0Ls who have said things like "I'm going to get a joint JD/MBA because I really like business, and that way I can work in business and practice law on the side." Again, they just have no clue that establishing a practice, obtaining clients, and practicing law is something you can't do in your spare time. Or, they say things like "I'd like to work in human rights law at the U.N. or something", not understanding that those jobs don't typically go to 25 year olds fresh out of law school.

So, what I'm getting at is that there are a lot of 0Ls who see a law degree as a vaguely useful stepping stone to some kind of career, but who have not spent any time researching whether or not their notions are correct. Conversely, I don't think I've ever met a 0L who said "I'd like to work at a small firm drafting wills, defending DUIs and arranging child custody modifications", which is where most of them will end up. 

But going to law school with no vision or fundamental purpose for doing so that's a huge mistake. Law school isn't junior college, where students, especially those right out of high school, often flop from semester to semester with no idea why they're even there.  Law school demands focus and commitment. This requires having a goal in mind. Your goal doesn't have to be immutable, but it should be clear in your mind before you take the leap. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and money.

I agree completely. I get prospective law students asking me whether or not they should go  to law school all the time, as I'm sure we all do. My first question is always "Why do you want to go to law school? What are your goals?". It amazes me how many of them really don't know. They think a law degree is sort of a "good idea", or the "next logical step". Others think the JD will make them more marketable in other fields. I'm always surprised by how many don't actually want to be lawyers, and really don't have a particular goal in mind.

I don't think many law schools offer weekend programs, at least not where I live. My part time program was M-TH, usually 6-9, sometimes 6-10:30. That was pretty standard for all the part time programs I looked at. I don't remember seeing any weekend offerings. 

I can't speak to the Fleming's issue because I'm not familiar with program. I don't know if an older version is as good as a newer version. Maybe there are specific changes the school wants to address or something. Or, maybe not.

As far as textbooks, it's fairly common for professors to require you to buy their own book especially if it's an upper level class on some sort of specific topic like International Law or California Mediation and Arbitration, etc. I think it's less common for the first year classes, where pretty much everybody is just going to use Prosser on Torts for example.

Honestly if you think driving 4 hours each way, one day a week is a big deal. You are best to avoid the whole ordeal.

One day a week? Like Citylaw said, it is a big deal and would probably be four or five days a week, not just one.

As to the OP's question William & Mitchell an ABA Law School has been approved for tentative online law school.

I think the William Mitchell program is a hybrid of in-class and online instruction. The fact that they were already an established ABA school probably helped a lot, as opposed to an unaccredited online program trying to get ABA approval.

Nashville School of Law / Re: Why I picked NSL
« on: September 08, 2015, 11:22:07 AM »
Non-ABA schools can be the right choice for the right student. The trick is to thoroughly evaluate your situation to see if a non-ABA program will help you meet your goals, or hinder you. For the vast majority of students (especially younger ones), ABA is the way to go. The degree is at least portable. For others, that's not really an issue.

I realize that in most states the idea of a non-ABA school is completely foreign. Here in CA, however, we have plenty of graduates from state bar accredited schools practicing in government and small Main St. firms, so maybe it doesn't seem so strange to us.

As Citylaw stated, if you are considering a non-ABA school be sure to do your due diligence and research the potential obstacles and limitations of the degree.

I think each law school has it's own culture and personality.

My own experience was closer to Duncan's (I was in a part time night program, too). Most of classmates were cool and more than willing to help out others. Sure, there were a few jerks but that's life in general. The professors were a mixed bag. Some were great and balanced being very demanding with a genuine desire to see their students succeed, others had inflated egos and got off by trying to make you feel stupid. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Healthcare Law
« on: September 08, 2015, 10:46:54 AM »
The idea is to work in a hospital or a facility where litigation wouldn't be a thing. I am considering UMiami, GA State, and Loyola Chicago.

Generally speaking, I don't think people should spend the considerable time and money on law school unless they actually want to be a lawyer.

Are you thinking of some sort of admin position, and that a law degree may help you get hired? I don't know enough about the healthcare admin field to know if a law degree is worth the cost. If you're thinking of an inhouse counsel position, I'm not sure that many hospitals have those. They probably just contract out to a law firm for representation. Either way, it might be difficult to avid litigation.

Secondly, your school options are all over the place. Think about where you want live after law school, as you will most likely end up in that immediate region.   

Hi Rezamza,

A few quick points:

First, I agree with Miami. At this point it is counterproductive to say "I need to get at least a score of X to get into school Y." I know that you want to get the highest score possible and get into the highest ranked school possible, all of us did. The problem, as Miami pointed out, is that until you have an actual score it's all speculation. You're putting the cart before the horse. Don't worry about schools right know, just focus on the LSAT. After you get a score on the board you can think about where to take it.

Are your GPA and prior score going to hurt you?

I believe that most schools will look primarily to your last score, and it's common for people to take the test a few times. I don't think that's a big deal, especially if you score higher than 157 in October. Your GPA is low for the schools you've mentioned, and yes, this will matter. A high LSAT score can help offset your GPA, of course.

Test Anxiety

This is something you need to get control of before dropping $100-200,000 on law school. If you can't, then I would seriously reflect on whether or not law school is the right choice. Law school exams are far more demanding than the LSAT and you will not get to cancel your score and retake. The three day long CA bar exam makes the LSAT look like kindergarten. I'm not trying to be negative here, but if you have serious test anxiety you need to consider this.

Law Schools

You have some very specific law schools that you want to attend (why Fordham?), and that's fine. But it's good to have a backup plan. Ask yourself "If I don't get into one of these schools, do I still want to go?" Also, what are your goals? Is admission to one of these schools the only way to accomplish them?

Depending on your LSAT score, you may need to be willing to cast a wider net or reevaluate your goals.

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