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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Stetson vs. Ave Maria vs. FIU
« on: May 30, 2012, 12:34:01 PM »
As usual, legend's post is spot on.

Personally, I'd narrow it down to FIU or Stetson with a strong preference for FIU. Ave Maria's scholarship is attractive, but the stips might be brutal. At full price I don't think either Stetson or AM are a better bet than FIU. Actually, even with substantial scholarships, FIU might be a better choice than Stetson or AM.

FIU is relatively new (est. 2000), which has something to do with it's ranking. Very few law schools are able to establish much of a reputation right off the bat. UCI is one of the few examples to the contrary. But if you look at FIU's underlying fundamentals, they're pretty solid. FIU is a large, reasonably well respected public research university. In my experience, large respected universities tend to produce decent law schools. FIU has the highest bar pass rate in FL, and is 3rd for scholarly output. Those are all good signs. Combined with the lower tuition, FIU seems like a deal.   

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Duquesne Law Part Time?
« on: May 30, 2012, 12:07:12 PM »
It really depends on what you want to do after law school. If you want to work in the Pittsburgh region, Duquesne is probably fine. Biglaw branch offices in Pittsburgh probably can still draw new hires from Penn and few other east coast schools. But for small/mid/govt jobs, Duquesne is probably alright. The amount of debt you're going to accrue, however, that's another story. I assume that most jobs in Pittsburgh/western PA don't pay top dollar, and you're going to have to find a way to make those payments.

With a 3.6/159 I'm a little surprised that you didn't get more than $5k. Did you apply very late in the cycle? Where else did you apply to? If you're not in a huge rush to start law school you might want to consider reapplying to a few other places in the area and seeing if you can swing a bigger scholarship. Pitt is a public law school with cheaper tuition, and you'd probably be guaranteed admisson with your numbers.

You can't pimp me out like that, Fortook. I'm old fashioned, and as chaste as a Romney. I'm like a Thomas Kinkade painting with legal training, and you sir have given me the vapors.

Thank you, Duncan, that's very nice. The fact is, most law students have little (if any) experience outside of the law school world. They fail to understand that biglaw, for example, represents a small percentage of the legal market, and that the rest of the world is not quite so obsessed with rankings. They also fail to understand that law is a results driven industry, and that if you don't produce results nobody gives a s*&$ where you went to law school. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: USC vs GULC ????
« on: May 29, 2012, 09:54:24 PM »
Unless we're talking about basketball, in which case...GO BRUINS! Sorry, I'm obligated.

25% of the judges and DAs in Orange County are Western State grads, and I have to think that the vast majority graduated before WSU had ABA approval.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Vermont Law?
« on: May 29, 2012, 07:04:44 PM »
If you're not in a rush to start law school, you could reapply to Maine as Fortook suggested. You could also take a shot a UConn (I believe they have a part-time program which is probably easier to get into), UNH's new law school (formerly FP?), and UMass's new law school. If you establish residency in one of these states, you'd save tens of thousands in tuition over VT.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: USC vs GULC ????
« on: May 29, 2012, 06:51:07 PM »
Yeah, the previous post pretty much nails it. They're both good schools, but you'll have better connections to the immediate region at each. Georgetown might have bit of an edge in terms of national reputation, but you really can't go wrong with either. Congrats!

lolol @ people ITT who think they can get a job from a CBE school in probably the most over saturated and competitive market in the country

I don't think anyone disputes that it's generally much harder for a CBE grad to get a job straight out of law school. Further, I don't think anyone disputes that biglaw is out of the question for CBE grads. But a statement such as the above demonstrates an obvious lack of experience. If you practice in CA you will come into contact with successful CBE grads on a daily basis. The DA's, PD's, and small firms in CA are full of CBE grads. I've met CBE grads who started successful small firms which in time became successful mid-sized firms, and who could buy and sell the average biglaw partner without even worrying.

Incidentally, I didn't attend a CBE school. I graduated from an ABA school. I've met enough good attorneys from CBE schools (and lower tiered ABA schools), however, that it's caused me to rethink some of my earlier presumptions. 

Academic attrition at ABA schools varies greatly. You're right that schools at the top end have much lower attrition (generally) than T3-T4s. Not surprising considering that they tend to admit highly qualified academic superstars. Attrition at most T1s is as low as 2-4%. At the lower end, schools like Cooley and Whittier have high attrition. I believe it approaches 50%, but may include those who leave voluntarily or transfer out. I think Western State, Thomas Jefferson, and Cal Western have around 25-30% attrition (I could be wrong).

However, even within the fourth tier there is variation. Some regionally/locally respected schools like Drake or South dakota have very low attrition. La Verne has 4-6% average, which is pretty low.

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