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Law School Applications / Re: Go to Cooley, or retake LSAT??
« on: May 25, 2012, 05:38:05 PM »
Isn't Cooley the exact opposite of degree mill? A degree mill is a school which both admits and graduates anyone, with no real curricular/scholastic standards. Cooley admits just about anyone, but then dismisses a large number due to academic attrition. Those that graduate are not handed a degree for simply showing up, but have in fact completed the same general course requirements of any student at any ABA approved law school.

I don't think any ABA approved law school can be considered a degree mill.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Hofstra vs. Brooklyn vs. Fordham
« on: May 24, 2012, 07:34:25 PM »
If your goal is biglaw, I suppose Fordham is the best choice. Understand, however,  that you will need to perform exceptionally well and will accrue massive debt. Chances are you'll have to pay that debt off without a biglaw salary.

Between Hofstra and Brooklyn: take the money and run. The lack of debt will provide you with a degree of flexibility that will likely outweigh any slight reputational advantage that Brooklyn posseses. Trust me, three years from now when you're looking for job you appreciate the lack of debt.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: NY Law vs. Hofstra Law
« on: May 24, 2012, 07:28:04 PM »
Although I don't live or work in the NYC area, I doubt if either school has any particular advantage over the other. Were you offered $$$ from either? I'd probably pick that one. Also, think about what you want to do after law school. Will one of these places put yp in a better position than the other?

No matter where you go to law school (with the exception of a few very elite schools) you will likely end up unempoyed and in debt at graduation if you don't start working on a plan from day one. Many law students commit two huge mistakes in my opinion: they choose rankings over scholarships and have entirely unrealistic notions reagrding their post-law school options.

If you develop an attainable goal before starting law school, hustle like crazy to obatin internships in that same field, and can minimize debt, you'll probably be alright. The key is to be realistic. If you're going to a T4 don't waste time dreaming about the 1/100 chance that you might get a biglaw job or a federal clerkship. If you do, you'll be disappointed and frustrated. If, however, you set your sights on small family law firms (for example), you can probably buld up some great experience and make some solid contacts.

The people in my class who had jobs at graduation or shortly thereafter started developing these kinds of contacts in the first year. Everybody else (including some top academic performers) waited until the end or relied too heavily on OCI, mass resume drops, etc. I've worked a couple of private and government law offices now, and have seen how a well-connected, experienced T4 grad can beat out a random T1 grad when it comes to getting hired. That's why blanket statements regarding the futility of attending a lower tier school are so often flawed, they never take into account the applicants eventual goals.

It's important to remember that apart from a handful of uber-elite schools, most T1s are essentially strong regional schools that won't give you an edge outside of your region. Depending on what you want to do, a full or substantial scholarship at a local T4 might make more sense that 150k debt from a non-elite T1. 

General Off-Topic Board / Re: mittster: satan?
« on: May 22, 2012, 12:52:43 PM »
Exactly. My dad used to say "Some guys are born on third base and actually think they've accomplished something when they make it to home plate."

Shameful, absolutely shameful. There is not one single affordable law school left in the entire state of California. Apart from Stanford, not one of them is worth 40k per year. (And Stanford is only worth it if you want to go into biglaw).

Scholarships over rankings, people! This is what I tell to any friend, family member or anonymous poster who says "I just got accepted to Random Non-Elite Law School #1 with a 50% scholarship, but I'm thinking about going to Random Non-Elite Law School #2 without a scholarship because it's ranked 87th instead of 94th". I really don't think most 22 year olds understand what 200k debt means.

I spoke to girl just a few days ago who told me that she began college a state school but transferred to an expensive private university because she thought it had a better rep and would help her get into law school. She didn't do very well on the LSAT and had to pay sticker price for law school (at a T3). Between undergrad and law school she has 300k of debt. If I had known her five years ago, I would've said stay at the cheap state school, take a year off to study for the LSAT, and crush it.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: mittster: satan?
« on: May 21, 2012, 12:06:17 PM »
Satan? Probably not.

 Clueless chump? Most definitely.

Like most rich kids MR is utterly clueless. His entire life has been socially, economically, and yes spiritually, removed from mainstream society. His words and actions leave me with no doubt that this guy has no idea what life is like for the vast majority of Americans, and that he probably doesn't care. For example, he's considering Marco Rubio for VP in an effort to sway the latino vote. He fails to realize that Rubio is emblematic of Florida Cubans, not latinos in general, and that a Romney/Rubio ticket won't mean a thing in LA, AZ, NM, CO, or any swing state other than FL.

The inability of the Republicans to capitalize on Obama's obvious weakness is astounding. In an age of extreme cynicism about corporate America's lack of ethics, they have nominated Monty Burns for president. Amazing. Obama's re-election is not guaranteed (as many Dems seem to think), but a look at the electoral college projections should scare the fancy pants off of Romney. Karl Rove's own electoral map projects Obama with approximately 290 votes currently, enough to win with 20 to spare. He projects that MR has about 160, with 87 up for grabs. (My numbers might be inaccurate, I'm going off of memory).

Your past performance will matter more or matter less depending on where you apply. Your LSAT score is key, and high score will give you much needed leverage.

When you apply you will have to write an addendum explaining why you were on academic probation, even if it was in 1996/2003. This isn't optional, as both LSAC and the individual law schools require it. Be honest and explain, but try not to make excuses. Your most recent grades and LSAT will be the main factors. Try to boost your GPA as much as possible and seriously, seriously study for the LSAT. A high LSAT score can do wonders for a lower GPA.

The law school admissions process is incredibly numbers driven. Issues like grade trend are not really primary factors if your GPA/LSAT profile is above a given school's average. Those schools will admit you on the strength of your cumulative numbers. Why? Because it raises their median numbers and makes them look better. If, however, you apply to schools where your profile is average or below average, it might become an issue. I would advise applying to schools where they want people with your LSAT score (whatever it ends up being) to make their numbers look better, you'll probably get in regardless. At more competitive schools, not so much. Those places have so many highly qualified applicants to choose from that you have less leverage.

I was in position somewhat similar to yours: I started law school in my early thirties and my GPA from 10 years past was mediocre. I focused on the LSAT, spent a couple of months preparing, took tons of practice exams, and got a great score. In my experience a high LSAT overcame an average GPA, and I received a 75% scholarship to my school of choice. 

Start preparing for the LSAT now. Buy some prep materials and familiarize yourself with the test. Identify your strengths and weaknesses early, and tackle them. The other factors you mentioned (veteran, WS major) are soft factors. Your numbers will determine your choices. I don't know if you want to remainin Sacto, but a mid 160's LSAT and a mid 3's GPA would probably get you a scholarship to McGeorge.

Good Luck!

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Orly Taitz for US Senate
« on: May 19, 2012, 11:15:06 AM »
I also love that she refers to herself as "a doctor" and "attorney doctor". Yes, I know, a D.D.S. is a professional doctoral degree. Whatever. She's a dentist and should refer to herself as such. In common parlance "doctor" means medical doctor. Like most dentists, D.O.s., and optometrists I suspect that she has a major inferiority complex.

I read that she was fined $20,000 by the district court in GA (failure to show good cause), and been accused of suborning perjury. How is it possible that she has not landed in hot water with the CA bar?

But remember, Obama or "someone connected to him" vandalized her car. He has Predator drones, but prefers to key her car. Maybe he'll TP her house later, or secretly place a hilarious sign on her back that says "kick me". Is there no end to this man's zany hi-jinx?

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Baby Bar
« on: May 18, 2012, 01:07:07 AM »
BTW Opie, I think that making the FLYSX mandatory for all law students isn't such a bad idea. There were several people in my section who managed to scrape by with barely passing grades, and will possibly never pass the bar exam. Weeding them out after 1L would save them tens of thousands of dollars and a lifetime of frustration.

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