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Online Law Schools / Re: Did you apply to ABA and CBE?
« on: July 02, 2014, 11:32:30 AM »
I think the averages provided by CA Law Dean are a better indication of MCL's student body than whatever the minimum acceptable standard is.

For example, ABA schools don't necessarily require a bachelor's degree (I think 90 units is minimally acceptable at some ABA schools), and there is no official minimum LSAT score. However, an applicant without a degree and a 140 LSAT is not going to stand  chance at the vast majority of schools. 

I'm sure that MCL has some minimum acceptable standard, but that most admitted students are qualified beyond that standard. I'm also pretty sure that the LSAT is required for CA accredited schools.

Online Law Schools / Re: LLB (Graduate Entry)
« on: June 23, 2014, 04:52:25 PM »
It depends, and you'll have to check with the California state bar to  find out.

California does allow LL.B holders from the UK to sit for the California bar, but there are some additional requirements. I think you have to be admitted in the UK and have a certain number of years of experience, for example.

An LL.B holder from another country, however, like India or Pakistan might not qualify without first obtaining a U.S. LL.M. I'm not sure what you mean by "two year LL.B". If you mean that the degree was only a two year program, I doubt if California would accept it without and LL.M. Again, check with the California bar, as they can give you the best information.

There are a ton of threads on here which discuss the impact of rankings. I would take a look at some of those.

But to address your question specifically, WF ranks #31 and FSU ranks #45. Both have good regional/local reputations, but neither is an elite institution. Whichever one you choose, you won't really be able to rely on your pedigree to land a job the way you would if you attended Harvard or Yale.

I don't live in south Florida, but I doubt if most employers are going to give a serious edge to a WF grad over an FSU grad based on rankings. Between these two schools, you should focus on which one has the best alumni connections and internship opportunities in south Florida. The ability to make personal connections within the local legal market will probably matter a lot more than the school's specific rank. 

You should also be looking at U Miami, Florida Intl, and Univ of Florida.

As far as OSU, I don't think that would be a very good option if you intend to live in south Florida. It will be very difficult to gain internships and make connections if you're in Columbus, and I doubt if many Florida law firms recruit on campus.

When you're talking about non-elite schools things like location, alumni connections and local reputation matter a lot more than national rankings. Be sure to take those things into consideration along with rankings. 

Current Law Students / Re: Donald Sterling Lawsuit ?
« on: June 18, 2014, 11:49:57 PM »
It was private free speech that became public.

I think the NBA franchise agreement allows for a forced sale if the owner's actions damage the league's image or something like that. I don't remember the exact words they used.

I'm sure the NBA will argue that since 85% of the players and a huge portion of the fan base are black, that Sterling's continued presence damages the league.

The whole thing is stupid. Sterling is a racist jerk, but the woman who recorded him seems pretty shifty. I also love how everybody at the NBA is full of faux righteous indignation. Apparently his views were pretty widely known, but as long as he was quiet no one cared.

I do think Mark Cuban had a good point. Do we really want to start punishing people for their privately held views? I think they can, legally, but should they? Regardless of whether his views are despicable, I don't like the idea of "thought police". 

Current Law Students / Re: Donald Sterling Lawsuit ?
« on: June 18, 2014, 10:13:35 AM »
Franchises have all sorts of requirements and covenants that most business contracts don't.

If you buy a McDonald's franchise you have to buy all the food from McDonald's (even if you can get it cheaper somewhere else), put up all of the seasonal promotional materials they send you, they get to decide where the store goes so as to avoid competition with existing franchises, and you have to keep the place up with general corporate standards.

Even with all those requirements people are still falling over themselves to buy McDonald's franchises because they're so profitable. Same thing with the NBA.

I Could see that being a factor, but nationwide is still accurate. A grad from school1 likely will try to work in State2-50

True, and a graduate of Harvard for example, can work in all 50 states because well, it's Harvard. The degree is instantly recognizable as badass no matter where you go. In that case national reputation matters.

Where law students fail is in their misunderstanding of what the national reputation means.

Using the Montana example again, let's say you have a student who is from Montana, qualifies for cheap in-state tuition, and plans to return after law school. That student might be tempted to attend #79 University of San Diego, or #72 New Mexico because they're both ranked higher than #121 Montana.

The student is convinced that they're getting a "better" education at the higher ranked school, and doesn't understand that they have about the same national reputation.   

Current Law Students / Re: Citizens United Case Debate?
« on: June 17, 2014, 01:03:00 PM »
Forgot to add:

Citizens United is a corporation. That part definitely bothers me. A corporation is a purely legal entity, and it not at all clear that corporations should be granted the same rights that we as individuals hold.

Current Law Students / Re: Citizens United Case Debate?
« on: June 17, 2014, 12:59:07 PM »
I think there are 2 separate ideas being conflated here.  One is the right to spend your money however you want to, which I agree is fine.  The other is whether whether spending money is a first amendment right to free speech.  I think this stretches the meaning of free speech a bit too far.

It seems almost impossible to separate these issues, though. If the Koch brothers decide to make a documentary about Obama, but are limited on how much they can spend making the documentary, isn't that limitation on free speech?

I am highly critical of the corrupting influence that money has on politics. I don't want to see this country become an oligarchy.

However, there will always be economic inequality. I don't think it's a question of whether the rich have more free speech than the rest of us. They do, however, have a greater ability to promote their views. They also have a greater ability to buy big houses and send their kids to better schools. It's one of the benefits of being rich. And yeah, it bothers me.

But at the same time, the guy from Occupy who camps out in front of LA City Hall also has a greater ability to promote his views than I do, because I have to go to work and can't afford play guitar in front of my tent all day.

I'm not really sure what the answer is, but it seems that by limiting the amount that people can spend on speech you will affect the content.

Current Law Students / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: June 17, 2014, 11:25:55 AM »
Updating the way in which new posts are shown wouldn't be a bad idea. Right now, it seems kind of wonky. Maybe just a list of all recent activity, like (dare I say it?) TLS.

Other than that, are the people who own this site actually interested in promoting it?

Current Law Students / Re: Donald Sterling Lawsuit ?
« on: June 17, 2014, 09:07:43 AM »
Is he arguing against the NBA forcing him to sell the Clippers?

In most situations, he'd have a good argument. No matter how big of a jerk you are, that doesn't mean you are forced to sell your business.

However, my understanding is that the NBA franchise contract DOES allow for forced sales if the owner's behavior reflects badly on the league, or something like that. There is still a process they have to go through, but it's a contractual provision that he agreed to in order to buy into the franchise.

Maybe his best argument would be that it's an unconscionable provision, and against public policy? I doubt it, though. The court would likely just say "You entered into it willingly. Too bad."

I have no sympathy for a racist like Sterling who gets caught with his own words, but the whole thing has such a set up feel to it. The fact that she was recording conversations and asking leading questions, it's pretty smarmy.   

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