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I agree that July is the "gold standard" for bar results, the pool of first time test takers is much larger.

Nonetheless, these are first time results. Although the numbers are small, if a school has 18 out of 20 first timers pass that's pretty good. Too good to be accidental, IMO. 

That why I didn't mention schools like Irvine, which had a 100% pass rate, but only three test takers. I don't think anything can be gleaned from such a small cohort.

Current Law Students / February California Bar Exam Stats are out...
« on: August 09, 2014, 05:41:38 PM »
Calbar has posted the stats for the last bar exam (Feb 2014). I couldn't link it here for some reason, maybe someone else can.

Here are a few highlights:

CA ABA first time pass rate: 68.6%
Out of state ABA: 44.3%
CA accredited 42.3%
CA unaccredited: 34.6%

Honorable mention goes to Pepperdine (92%) and La Verne (88%). A few other schools had 100% pass rates but only had a few students taking the bar. Both of these schools had decent numbers of test takers.

Among the CA accredited schools, Monterey had a 75% pass rate, and Ventura (67%) and Santa Barbara (69%) also did well. Others had much lower rates or only a few test takers.

Among unaccredited schools Concord (36%) beat the others by a mile, as most had 0% pass rates.

Law School Admissions / Re: Student discipline problems
« on: August 09, 2014, 11:05:39 AM »
I agree with Citylaw, I don't think it's a big deal unless you fail to disclose it. Your applications to law school and the bar will ask about disciplinary actions and it's important to fully disclose everything.

I don't think this will have any impact on law school admissions, but the bar may require a more detailed explanation. They will probably require you to submit all paperwork associated with the action, so make sure you are 100% honest in your explanation. In law school you will learn that the bar is pretty forgiving, but they take even a hint of dishonesty very seriously. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Newest of the n00bs
« on: August 06, 2014, 02:21:59 PM »
Based on my background/profile, would it be a good idea to go to law school?

Well, not to sound snarky but it depends on whether or not you want to be a lawyer.

If you really want to be a lawyer, and are willing to make the necessary intellectual and financial commitment, then yes. If you are just trying to figure out what to do for the next few years and law sounds kind of interesting, then no.

Law school, the bar exam, and the job hunt are huge undertakings. You should only do it if you are sure you want to be a lawyer, an only you can answer that.

I would definitely take the time to find out what it's really like to be a lawyer (very different from TV and movies), and think about your long term goals. Law can be a great career but it's not for everyone.

I'm not sure what a 68% translates to in GPA, but if you want to go to law school start preparing for the LSAT as soon as possible. Your LSAT score is a huge factor in admissions, and a high score can help with obtaining scholarships.

Hope that helped!

Pursuing an LLM / Re: we should replace the JD with an LLM.
« on: August 04, 2014, 09:38:56 PM »
At my school all of those classes (Evidence, Con Law, Wills & Trusts) were required. They added Community Property as a requirement in my last year.

The electives tended to be stuff like Water Law, Animal Rights, Women and the Law, Capital Punishment, etc. Not that those are meaningless, they're not. They do have value. I just question whether their value is greater than learning how to draft a review a contract or draft a prenuptial agreement. Most lawyers are far more likely to encounter those types of things in their practice.

Current Law Students / Re: Changing from a medical career?
« on: August 04, 2014, 11:37:15 AM »
Without a real LSAT score everything is speculation. Not to sound rude, but there really is no point in assuming you'll get a 170+ unless you're consistently scoring in that range on timed practice exams. Even then, it's not guaranteed.

However, assuming you score well (160+) you'll have many options. Elite schools will probably be out because of your GPA. They want a high GPA and high LSAT. Many good regional and local schools may be a possibility, though. Focus on the LSAT and get the highest score possible, but don't put the cart before the horse.

Do you think my experience/credentials might help me as an 'ambulance chaser' or someone that might defend against 'ambulance chasing' claims?

Maybe a little, but not really. If you understand the medical field better than the average lawyer, then that's a plus. However, tort claims usually turn on whether a duty was owed, and whether that duty was breached. The applicable standards are set by statute, common law, and professional associations. Any lawyer, with or without medical knowledge, can research the relevant standard and argue for or against a breach.

Current Law Students / Re: Touro Law School question
« on: August 04, 2014, 11:26:05 AM »
Check out LSAC's admissions profiles for Touro, it should give you a very good idea as to your chances.

Here's something else to consider: with a 148 LSAT law school may not be for you. If you had a bad day and would have normally scored higher, then I'd say retake. But if you put in your best effort and scored 148, just realize that law school and the bar exam are about a hundred times tougher than the LSAT.

It's good to consider this before dropping $100K on tuition.   

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USD vs. Pepperdine
« on: August 04, 2014, 10:23:59 AM »
The above advice is solid, I would only add that you need to really consider location. Pepperdine and USD are both fine schools, but neither is so elite that you'll be able to rely on your pedigree to open doors. Connections and the ability to tap into the local market will be of great importance.

Simply put, Pepperdine will have better LA connections, and USD will have better SD connections. However, unless you graduate top of class you'll have to hustle to get a job graduating from either school. 

The cost of attendance at USD, however, looks considerably less. This is a HUGE factor. Personally, I'd go for the cheapest degree and then focus on making connections and getting a foot in the door of the local market. Longterm, that lack of debt will be important and will allow flexibility in the job search.

Another option: reapply and try to get a full scholarship to another school.

Law School Admissions / Re: Law School Admission Options
« on: August 04, 2014, 10:02:27 AM »
Until you have an actual LSAT score and final GPA everything is pure speculation. As Miami said, 160-170 is a huge range and your law school options would vary quite a bit depending on your specific score.

That said, assuming you score a 3.0 and somewhere in the mid 160s you would have many options. Elite schools and the T14 are out. They have so many applicants with high GPAs and LSATs that there is no real incentive to take a risk on applicants with lower numbers.

Many respected regional and local law schools, however, would accept an applicant with such numbers. Once you get an LSAC GPA and LSAT score, my advice would be to think about where you want to live and how you can avoid debt. Once you get away from the elite schools rankings matter less and geography and connections matter more.

Law School Admissions / Re: Looking for Advice, Please
« on: August 02, 2014, 10:55:25 AM »
As between UCSB and USD, law schools will not consider either to be significantly more prestigious than the other. If anything, UCSB is a tougher school to get into and a respected research university. It may therefore be considered little more prestigious generally, but it won't make any difference when you apply to law school.

Private schools are not generally considered more prestigious than public schools. Schools with highly selective admissions are considered prestigious, whether public or private.

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