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« on: May 26, 2012, 03:13:50 PM »
I think you're probably right about Hofstra. Like I said, I really don't have any first hand experience with either school (or the NY market for that matter), but I have an old friend who went to NYLS and wasn't very happy with the experience. On the other hand, last I heard she's doing quite well in NYC. Single anecdotal example, but maybe it means something.
It occured to me that Hofstra might have one other advantage: it's associated with a larger university and shares the campus. Compared to stand-alone law schools (like NYLS) it might have a better social life.
OP: really think about what you want to do long term. I know that when you're in the application process you just want to get in somewhere and start, but try to develop at least some kind of plan now. Do you think you want private practice, solo practice, government? See if either school has programs that might help you work towards that goal. Also, can you deal with the very real possibility of making little money plus having large loan payments? For the first couple of years after law school you may very well be in this situation. I'm not trying to either encourage you or discourage you, but it will help to think about these things now.
« on: May 26, 2012, 02:38:54 PM »
That's interesting, I didn't know that NYLS had been sued too. I believe the Cooley and TJSL suits had to do with alleged misrepresentation of post-grad employment statistics. Was that the case with NYLS too?
Also, I know that people hate the idea of retaking the LSAT and reapplying, but the OP might want to consider it. If you're going to go to a T4 you might as well do everything you can to minimize your debt. Spending a year prepping, retaking the LSAT, and potentially achieving a much better score might pay off in the long run. Something to consider.
« on: May 26, 2012, 12:07:05 PM »
It's not. Small children need regular naps and sippy cups full of delicious juice, otherwise they become cranky and say naughty things.
« on: May 26, 2012, 12:02:02 PM »
Yeah, the aggregate total of all Cooley campuses is around 3000. I think that the next biggest schools are Harvard, Hastings, and Loyola-LA, each at around 1200. (Might be wrong on that). I'm curious, does that 50% attrition rate represent only forced attrition, or does it also include those who simply drop out? Either way it's an astounding number. I think attrition at my law school was something like 4-6%.
Fortook is right, Cooley's not your only option. If you need to stay in the region take a look at Detroit-Mercy, Toledo, Valparaiso, Akron, and Cleveland State.
« on: May 25, 2012, 05:51:56 PM »
If Chapman has a part-time program you could try amending your application to go PT. You might have a better shot at getting in. I don't blame you for wanting Chapman over Whittier and SW, Chapman's campus is better than many T1s I've visited. There really isn't much you can do, however, to increase your odds of admission.
Considering that you got accepted at SW and a scholarship at Whittier, I'm surprised you were waitlisted at all. Don't Chapman and SW have pretty similar admissions profiles?
« on: May 25, 2012, 05:38:05 PM »
Isn't Cooley the exact opposite of degree mill? A degree mill is a school which both admits and graduates anyone, with no real curricular/scholastic standards. Cooley admits just about anyone, but then dismisses a large number due to academic attrition. Those that graduate are not handed a degree for simply showing up, but have in fact completed the same general course requirements of any student at any ABA approved law school.
I don't think any ABA approved law school can be considered a degree mill.
« on: May 24, 2012, 07:34:25 PM »
If your goal is biglaw, I suppose Fordham is the best choice. Understand, however, that you will need to perform exceptionally well and will accrue massive debt. Chances are you'll have to pay that debt off without a biglaw salary.
Between Hofstra and Brooklyn: take the money and run. The lack of debt will provide you with a degree of flexibility that will likely outweigh any slight reputational advantage that Brooklyn posseses. Trust me, three years from now when you're looking for job you appreciate the lack of debt.
« on: May 24, 2012, 07:28:04 PM »
Although I don't live or work in the NYC area, I doubt if either school has any particular advantage over the other. Were you offered $$$ from either? I'd probably pick that one. Also, think about what you want to do after law school. Will one of these places put yp in a better position than the other?
« on: May 24, 2012, 07:18:14 PM »
No matter where you go to law school (with the exception of a few very elite schools) you will likely end up unempoyed and in debt at graduation if you don't start working on a plan from day one. Many law students commit two huge mistakes in my opinion: they choose rankings over scholarships and have entirely unrealistic notions reagrding their post-law school options.
If you develop an attainable goal before starting law school, hustle like crazy to obatin internships in that same field, and can minimize debt, you'll probably be alright. The key is to be realistic. If you're going to a T4 don't waste time dreaming about the 1/100 chance that you might get a biglaw job or a federal clerkship. If you do, you'll be disappointed and frustrated. If, however, you set your sights on small family law firms (for example), you can probably buld up some great experience and make some solid contacts.
The people in my class who had jobs at graduation or shortly thereafter started developing these kinds of contacts in the first year. Everybody else (including some top academic performers) waited until the end or relied too heavily on OCI, mass resume drops, etc. I've worked a couple of private and government law offices now, and have seen how a well-connected, experienced T4 grad can beat out a random T1 grad when it comes to getting hired. That's why blanket statements regarding the futility of attending a lower tier school are so often flawed, they never take into account the applicants eventual goals.
It's important to remember that apart from a handful of uber-elite schools, most T1s are essentially strong regional schools that won't give you an edge outside of your region. Depending on what you want to do, a full or substantial scholarship at a local T4 might make more sense that 150k debt from a non-elite T1.
« on: May 22, 2012, 12:52:43 PM »
Exactly. My dad used to say "Some guys are born on third base and actually think they've accomplished something when they make it to home plate."
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