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Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 21, 2015, 02:53:54 PM »
Don't you need the records in order to apply as a visiting student to another school?

Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 21, 2015, 12:16:54 PM »
Ok, it's good that you have a lawyer. Be completely honest with your lawyer and let them handle it.

Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 21, 2015, 11:56:52 AM »
I emailed and called the Dean's office politely numerous times back in February 2015 and the Dean outright refused to send me the records that I am entitled to and furthermore told me not to contact his office again.

"Numerous times."

The first time you requested your records, what did the Dean actually say? What reason did the Dean provide? I seriously doubt if no reason at all was provided. If the Dean provided a legitimate reason, then numerous subsequent contacts may have been considered harassing.

Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 21, 2015, 11:50:41 AM »
I already politely requested all my educational records, and the school outright refused to release them to me.

Is that the whole story? You sent a polite request for you records, and in flagrant violation of federal law the school refused to comply based on personal animosity? What did their response actually say?

Do you owe unpaid tuition?

Is there a restraining order in effect which requires third party contacts?

I get the feeling that there are some missing pieces here. If indeed the school refused to turn over your records based on nothing more than bad feelings, then you need to talk to a lawyer.

BTW, the school can't have you charged or arrested based on nothing more than a letter that says "I would like to request my transcripts." That's not harassment. They can call the police, who will determine whether or not a threat/harassment occurred. If the communication is nothing more than a letter requesting transcripts, I don't see how that could be reasonably interpreted as harassment UNLESS there is a restraining order in place or the police have already advised you not to contact the school. Is that the case?

At this point, I think you should talk to a lawyer. Perhaps they can make the request on your behalf.


I worked at an entertainment law firm for a little while. Here are some things to consider:

1) Entertainment law firms are not talent agencies. Many agents are indeed lawyers, but the day to day aspects of the job are quite different. "Entertainment law" is really just a mixture of contract and employment law. As an entertainment lawyer, your day will revolve around contract reviews, contract negotiations, and all of the other incredibly boring stuff that civil attorneys do. You won't be hangin' with celebs by the pool at Chateau Marmont. You'll be sitting in an office feverishly responding to a motion for summary judgment.

2) If your image of entertainment law is in any way shaped by "Entourage", drop that image immediately. 

3) Don't go to law school unless you are prepared to be a lawyer, period. Not an entertainment lawyer, not an IP lawyer, but a lawyer. There is a very high probability that you will not be an entertainment or IP lawyer. Those jobs are few and far between, and the competition is stiff.

Ask yourself "Will I be alright with drafting wills and defending DUIs in the valley if I don't get hired in my desired field?"

Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 20, 2015, 11:44:40 AM »
Ok. It's your application, do as you please.

Keep this in mind throughout the readmission/application process:
You are asking for a favor. In fact, you're asking for a pretty damn big favor that no one is obligated to provide. Your language and actions should always reflect that you are aware of this.

The admissions people at the new law school are going to be skeptical of any application involving disciplinary issues. Given the unusual circumstances of your case, any indication of hostility or ongoing problems is likely to seem amplified. Trust me, they don't want to hear you blame your old school for anything.

I'm not sure that you understand that some of verbage you use comes off as defensive, even though it may be unintended. You've asked for and received objective feedback by non-interested parties. If you want to take it to heart, great. If not, that's cool too. 

Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 20, 2015, 09:48:07 AM »
Some notes on the addendum:

Paragraph 1:
I'd delete it. Loki is correct, it sounds hostile. I know that you disagree, but as an outsider looking in it sounds hostile. It sounds like there is an ongoing argument with your old school, and that's not what you want to lead with.

Paragraphs 2 & 3:
These are OK. They may ask for specific details.

Paragraph 4:
Way too long. This needs to be more concise. The info about support groups etc is repeated in P5, so I would shorten this by focusing on medical treatment.

Paragraph 5:
Too long, but you're on the right track with summing it all up and focusing on the positive steps you've taken.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: No Pre-Law Advisor-help?
« on: May 20, 2015, 09:38:33 AM »
Most colleges have very little in the way of meaningful prelaw advising. My prelaw advisor wasn't even a lawyer, he was a history prof. Here's the "advice" I got: "Look at your LSAT and GPA then apply to schools in your range." Wow, thanks.

Your GPA is already set, so the best thing you can do now is focus on the LSAT. The LSAT is a HUGE piece of the puzzle, probably more important than your GPA. Once you have an actual LSAT score you'll be able to get a good picture of where you have a shot at getting in. Then you need to think about location and career goals. I would check back here once you have a score (or at least a few timed practice scores).

If you want to post your GPA and intended location, that will give at least some indication as to what kind of LSAT score you may need.

As far as mental health issues, it is not an automatic barrier to law school or the bar by any means. But, it really depends on your specific situation and how it has affected your life. Without knowing more it's impossible to say.

Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 19, 2015, 12:36:02 PM »
If I contact them, even politely, they will accuse me of harassment and file criminal charges against me.  Believe me, it's that serious.  I am walking on thin ice.  I can't afford to have any more blemishes on my C&F record.  Therefore, best to have a third party (treatment provider, parent) intervene on my behalf.

I can understand your concerns. If things were left on such a bad note that ANY contact is likely to be interpreted as threatening, then having a third party mediator is not a bad idea. 

Typically it would be difficult for a school to claim harassment simply because someone is seeking to access an approved path to readmission after complying with the terms of their medical leave. (Assuming the communications were cordial and appropriate). I think this is sort of what Loki was referencing. If there was a TRO, RO, no contact order, etc, then that's a different story.

If your situation is so tense that even cordial contact for the purposes of readmission is going to result in someone calling the police, then I think you have an uphill battle regardless.

I really do wish you the best of luck. It may be that your school simply wants more time to pass without incident since the last episode was only a year ago.

Current Law Students / Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?
« on: May 18, 2015, 05:58:57 PM »
I can understand that.

So, if I understand correctly, you would have to be readmitted to your old law school then you can apply to do your last year as a visiting student somewhere else.

If that's the case, I wonder if you could let them know right off the bat that you're planning on finishing somewhere else. That might make the admin a little less skittish. Maybe that was the idea your parents were going to talk to them about?

On the other hand, the admin may be concerned that if they readmit you and you don't get into another school, then they'll have to take you back. I wonder if you could somehow negotiate a conditional admission, solely for the purposes of trying to get visiting student status at another school?

Also, (I'm not trying to be negative here, but this is a major issue) are you sure that you can actually get into another school as a visiting student with the disciplinary action on your record? You might want to look into that before starting the whole readmission process.

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