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But going to law school with no vision or fundamental purpose for doing so that's a huge mistake. Law school isn't junior college, where students, especially those right out of high school, often flop from semester to semester with no idea why they're even there.  Law school demands focus and commitment. This requires having a goal in mind. Your goal doesn't have to be immutable, but it should be clear in your mind before you take the leap. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and money.

I agree completely. I get prospective law students asking me whether or not they should go  to law school all the time, as I'm sure we all do. My first question is always "Why do you want to go to law school? What are your goals?". It amazes me how many of them really don't know. They think a law degree is sort of a "good idea", or the "next logical step". Others think the JD will make them more marketable in other fields. I'm always surprised by how many don't actually want to be lawyers, and really don't have a particular goal in mind.

I don't think many law schools offer weekend programs, at least not where I live. My part time program was M-TH, usually 6-9, sometimes 6-10:30. That was pretty standard for all the part time programs I looked at. I don't remember seeing any weekend offerings. 

I can't speak to the Fleming's issue because I'm not familiar with program. I don't know if an older version is as good as a newer version. Maybe there are specific changes the school wants to address or something. Or, maybe not.

As far as textbooks, it's fairly common for professors to require you to buy their own book especially if it's an upper level class on some sort of specific topic like International Law or California Mediation and Arbitration, etc. I think it's less common for the first year classes, where pretty much everybody is just going to use Prosser on Torts for example.

Honestly if you think driving 4 hours each way, one day a week is a big deal. You are best to avoid the whole ordeal.

One day a week? Like Citylaw said, it is a big deal and would probably be four or five days a week, not just one.

As to the OP's question William & Mitchell an ABA Law School has been approved for tentative online law school.

I think the William Mitchell program is a hybrid of in-class and online instruction. The fact that they were already an established ABA school probably helped a lot, as opposed to an unaccredited online program trying to get ABA approval.

I think each law school has it's own culture and personality.

My own experience was closer to Duncan's (I was in a part time night program, too). Most of classmates were cool and more than willing to help out others. Sure, there were a few jerks but that's life in general. The professors were a mixed bag. Some were great and balanced being very demanding with a genuine desire to see their students succeed, others had inflated egos and got off by trying to make you feel stupid. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Healthcare Law
« on: September 08, 2015, 10:46:54 AM »
The idea is to work in a hospital or a facility where litigation wouldn't be a thing. I am considering UMiami, GA State, and Loyola Chicago.

Generally speaking, I don't think people should spend the considerable time and money on law school unless they actually want to be a lawyer.

Are you thinking of some sort of admin position, and that a law degree may help you get hired? I don't know enough about the healthcare admin field to know if a law degree is worth the cost. If you're thinking of an inhouse counsel position, I'm not sure that many hospitals have those. They probably just contract out to a law firm for representation. Either way, it might be difficult to avid litigation.

Secondly, your school options are all over the place. Think about where you want live after law school, as you will most likely end up in that immediate region.   

Hi Rezamza,

A few quick points:

First, I agree with Miami. At this point it is counterproductive to say "I need to get at least a score of X to get into school Y." I know that you want to get the highest score possible and get into the highest ranked school possible, all of us did. The problem, as Miami pointed out, is that until you have an actual score it's all speculation. You're putting the cart before the horse. Don't worry about schools right know, just focus on the LSAT. After you get a score on the board you can think about where to take it.

Are your GPA and prior score going to hurt you?

I believe that most schools will look primarily to your last score, and it's common for people to take the test a few times. I don't think that's a big deal, especially if you score higher than 157 in October. Your GPA is low for the schools you've mentioned, and yes, this will matter. A high LSAT score can help offset your GPA, of course.

Test Anxiety

This is something you need to get control of before dropping $100-200,000 on law school. If you can't, then I would seriously reflect on whether or not law school is the right choice. Law school exams are far more demanding than the LSAT and you will not get to cancel your score and retake. The three day long CA bar exam makes the LSAT look like kindergarten. I'm not trying to be negative here, but if you have serious test anxiety you need to consider this.

Law Schools

You have some very specific law schools that you want to attend (why Fordham?), and that's fine. But it's good to have a backup plan. Ask yourself "If I don't get into one of these schools, do I still want to go?" Also, what are your goals? Is admission to one of these schools the only way to accomplish them?

Depending on your LSAT score, you may need to be willing to cast a wider net or reevaluate your goals.

Law School Admissions / Re: Graduating Undergrad in 3 Years
« on: September 08, 2015, 10:10:12 AM »
Is graduating a year early something that will set you apart and gain you an advantage in law school admissions?

No, I don't really think so. It's not such a unique attribute that admissions committees are going to pay it much attention. I mean, is it possible that some small advantage may be gained? I suppose, but not much.

Here is a short list of things that will matter:

URM status
Remarkable personal story/accomplishments. And I mean truly remarkable, not just "I volunteered at soup kitchen last Christmas and like to debate."

You best bet for getting into law school and obtaining scholarships is to focus on the LSAT and your GPA. A few points on the LSAT will be far more useful than graduating a year early. 

If you create crime your in trouble, if the bad act already occurred then  an attorney can  use the legal tools available at their disposable to assist a client.


I have no clue whether immigration lawyers are any more or less ethical than other lawyers, but I think you'll find that are unethical bums in every branch of law. I mean, c'mon, you think OJ came up with that stupid alibi all by himself?

I am talking about lawyers who give advise to AVOID court/arrest/etc. They are out there and very open about it. Replace with any other non legal act and its that simple. People who are still confused WANT to be confused on it.

I'm not sure that anyone here would disagree with you on that, but you earlier comments seemed more broadly construed.

Telling a client to ignore the court and not show up is definitely a breach, and I'm sure that there are some unethical immigration lawyers who do it. I've heard stories about shady lawyers telling people to claim political asylum just to slow down the process, etc., just like I've heard about crooked criminal lawyers, even family law. There was a case here in CA recently where an immigration attorney was disbarred and sent to federal prison for running a scam to bring people in illegally.

But I think this kind of stuff can be easily distinguished from a lawyer who simply uses legit avenues to zealously advocate for their client.

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