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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« on: December 16, 2016, 07:07:27 PM »
Dumbass, Cin and Julie are one and the same troll.

Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: December 14, 2016, 07:13:31 PM »
I have a buddy who went the JAG route. Prior-enlisted/active duty personnel get a big boost.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« on: December 14, 2016, 07:11:37 PM »
You lose track of lots of things, Julie.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« on: December 13, 2016, 07:21:49 PM »
No, you will continue to lose.

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 13, 2016, 11:50:34 AM »
We had a couple of law enforcement folks in my section, and they were frustrated with the crimpro/conlaw rules. They felt that the rules impeded their ability to make arrests/gather evidence (which is true), but they didn't seem willing to entertain the notion that a greater good is being served by limiting police power. They come at it from a different perspective.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« on: December 13, 2016, 11:47:16 AM »
Julie trying too hard. Exposed as troll, like Trump.

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 09, 2016, 10:03:03 AM »
Hi Maddawg, a few thoughts:

Student Loans
Your law school will have a Financial Aid center that can answer specific questions, but here is the thumbnail sketch. There are subsidized and unsubsidized loans. The govt pays the interest on the subsidized loans while you're in school, interest accrues on the unsub loans. There are also private loans.

Off the top of my head I don't know what the total amount you can borrow is now, but you can pretty easily borrow enough to cover tuition and living expenses. Many people also take out a bar study loan after graduating.

This is where you need to be careful. It is very easy to accept 20k per year for living expenses when it's being offered, but much tougher to pay back.

Loan Forgiveness
You may or may not be able to take advantage of such programs. My wife, for example, is a govt attorney and was told no, while other govt lawyers have qualified. But it usually works like this: you pay your loans for a number of years (10-25) and as long as you are a qualifying govt/public interest lawyer for that period, the remaining balance is forgiven. There are MANY variations on this, so don't take what I say as gospel.

Jobs/Starting Salary
It is awesome that you have contacts and a soft job offer, but I can tell you as someone who worked in govt that there is no way they can definitively tell you that they will be able to hire you in three or four years. If the economy dumps, they won't be hiring anyone. Govt hiring is very different from private firms, who can pretty much hire and fire at will. For govt jobs, the funding has to be in place, the job has to be posted, and lots of people get a say in the decision.

I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm just saying keep an open mind because you may need to look elsewhere for employment depending on circumstances.

Which brings me to my next point: don't go to law with unless you are willing to practice whatever kind of law you can get a job in. If the DA isn't hiring, be prepared to defend DUIs, or write wills or petition for child custody modifications. I would say that 75% of the people in my graduating class started off wanting to be local prosecutors/US Attorneys/Biglaw, whatever. Maybe 10% got those jobs. The rest took whatever they could get.


You mentioned that one of the schools you are looking at is out of state. In my opinion, when you are looking at non-elite schools geography is everything. I would definitely look first at schools located in the state/city in which you want to live. You will find it much easier to get internships, to make connections to the local bar, and set yourself up for employment if you are physically there. In addition (and I have no idea what state you are in), there is the issue of the bar exam. It is generally better to go to school in the state in which you plan to take the bar.

Part Time Programs
I am a fan of part time programs for non-trad students. I know a lot of people aren't fans because it takes four years instead of three, but I am. First, you can work (even if only part time) and avoid racking up debt. Second, the students tend to be a little more mature. I think it's an easier transition than being plopped into a class full of 22 year olds. Just a thought.

Hope that helps!

Hope that helps!

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« on: December 08, 2016, 09:02:34 PM »
I agree with everything Loki said, it's good advice.

And yes, a high LSAT score is worth more than a high GPA. I'll take a 170 over a 4.0 any day. Of course, if I could have both...

Just a few things to add:

Most people score lower than they expect on the LSAT. Until you get an actual score, don't fret too much. See how you did and if you really, truly have a good reason to believe that you will do better on a retake go ahead and do it. A higher LSAT score can help with scholarships.

Which brings me to my next point. Do everything possible to avoid racking up a huge debt. It looks like the jobs you're shooting for are great, but won't start you off at six figures. You don't want a $150k debt in that situation. Let's say you score 157, and have an offer of admission from your top choice with a 25% scholarship, and from the 150 school with a 75% scholarship. In your situation I would seriously consider the 150 school.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: LLM, JD
« on: December 02, 2016, 09:21:34 AM »
I think most European universities offer a bachelor's degree in law (LL.B) as the first degree, not an LL.M. As far as JD programs in Europe, I don't know but probably not.

Here is the bigger question: where are you from, and where do you want to live?

If you are planning in living in the U.S. after law school, I wouldn't bother with a European degree. The systems are VERY different, and you'd be much better off studying in the U.S. Also, depending on the school, you may have to complete an LL.M in the U.S. before you can take the bar.

If you plan on living in Europe and are NOT an EU citizen, then I suggest looking into immigration policies. Many EU countries are pretty closed door about inviting in professional competition. I personally know folks who completed graduate degrees in Europe and then were promptly told to leave. It's a different system. If you are an EU citizen, of course this doesn't matter. 

Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: November 29, 2016, 09:15:01 PM »
I agree with Loki, your GPA/LSAT profile will account for 95% of the admissions decision. That said, a military background and interesting work experience plus maturity will help a little.

I went to law school in my early thirties, and attended a part-time evening program. If you are older than the average student, I would at least consider this option.

Lastly, consider the possibility that a solid local/regional school located in the geographic area in which you want to live may be a better option than a far away school with a higher ranking (especially if it's cheaper).

For example, if you wanted to live in Georgia or Texas (as you indicated) then a degree from UGA or SMU may be more valuable than a degree from UCLA even though UCLA is higher ranked. Of course, a degree from Harvard trumps them all but that's a different story.

In any case, 166 is a great score but it's fairly average for the T14. 3.49, OTOH, is a somewhat low GPA for the T14. I would think about where you really want to live, what you really want to do, and let that guide your decisions.   

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