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Law School Applications / Re: 3.1...LSAT??? What are my chances?
« on: February 15, 2014, 12:49:49 PM »
Miami88 has already offered excellent advice, I just wanted to add that until you have an actual LSAT score everything is speculative. The LSAT is such a huge factor in law school admissions that without knowing exactly where you stand all you can do is guess.

With a 3.1 and a very high LSAT score (say, 170ish) you may be able to get into a few of the lower Top 25.

Here's something to consider, however. There is nothing magical about a school being in the Top 25. Some of those schools (like Harvard, Yale, and Stanford) are elite, internationally recognized institutions and the pedigree alone is a huge benefit.

However, not all Top 25 schools are created the same. Some, like Harvard, Yale, and Stanford are truly elite schools and the pedigree alone is a huge benefit. Others are more like very good regional schools. Regardless of their inclusion on a made up list of schools they will never have the same cache as the truly elite schools.

When it comes to those schools, I'm not sure that the employment outlook is necessarily all that much better than the next tier of schools. Also, look closely at the employment data. Schools at the middle to bottom of the Top 25 are likely to have employment prospects which are much more localized than the elite schools.

For example, I think Emory is now in the coveted Top 25. that does not mean that firms from LA, NYC, and Washington D.C. are flocking to Atlanta to hire graduates. I can tell you that in my hometown of LA, a Loyola or Pepperdine grad with good grades would probably have a better chance at getting hired than an Emory grad with average grades, maybe even with very good grades.

So, even if you're admitted to some school that is ranked somewhere in the Top 25, but it's not a Harvard/Yale type place, you still need to think about location and cost.

Hope that helps, and Good Luck!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: South Florida law schools
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:19:37 PM »
Hi Tampadave,

First off, I'm not a Florida lawyer and I don't have any personal experience with the market, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

That said, if I were in your daughter's position I would seriously consider the FIU at a discount over UM at full price. UM does have a reputational advantage over FIU, but it's not exactly an elite school, either. So the question is, does the reputational advantage justify the additional cost?

My guess is that a top student from UM (law review, etc.) probably has a better shot at big firms in Miami than a top student from FIU, but that mid-low ranked students from both schools probably face similar job prospects. If your daughter ends up competing for jobs at small and midsized firms, the lower debt from FIU can allow more flexibility.

Best of Luck to her!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Weighing TX law school options
« on: February 05, 2014, 09:30:28 PM »
What are your numbers (LSAT/GPA)?

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: February 05, 2014, 06:12:43 PM »
Any law school that doesn't pick up the phone or respond to email should raise red flags.   

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Yeah, many of the CBE and unaccredited schools in CA have very small numbers of people taking the bar. With such a small statistical sample it's difficult to draw any conclusions, positive or negative.

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UPDATE

It appears that AHU had three first time bar takers for the July, 2013 bar exam, and one passer for a rate of 33%.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: July 2013 Bar Exam Results
« on: February 05, 2014, 01:41:36 AM »
Low pass rates by DL applicants may have to do with:

1.  Poor performance on the essay questions.
2.  lack of preparation time due to employment and other responsibilites.

As far as the essay questions, why is that? Do most DL programs use the basic IRAC format, or are many DL students simply coming in to the program with less college level writing?

As far as employment, many ABA part time programs have employed/married, etc students, but still have decent pass rates. Do you think this is due to the more stringent admission criteria?

If DL students were allowed to take some of the easier bars like South Dakota with a consistent 90% pass rate - we would see those pass rates at least double or tiple.

I completely agree. If we required ALL law students to take the FYLSE, and allowed DL to take more than California's crazy bar, we'd see fewer ABA lawyers and more DL lawyers as a result.

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Acceptances / Re: Hamilton at CLS vs. SLS vs. HLS
« on: February 03, 2014, 12:19:13 AM »
Citylaw's post is comprehensive and excellent, so all I'll add is that with those options you can't go wrong. All three are excellent schools with huge reputations. That said, I've travelled quite a bit and I must say that Harvard has a certain, immediately recognizable prestige that is special. You can walk into a meeting in Cape Town, Rio, or Beijing and people will go "Damn, Harvard!"

Good luck and remember, even at elite schools your professors are just people and this is just their job. They don't know everything, and get a lot of stuff wrong! I had to occasionally remind myself of that during law school. 

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Affirmative Action / Re: Time to End Merit Scholarships
« on: February 01, 2014, 12:15:18 AM »
It's becoming obvious what you are Maintain.

Ridiculously handsome and a snazzy dresser? Guilty, your honor!

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Affirmative Action / Re: Time to End Merit Scholarships
« on: January 31, 2014, 09:40:27 PM »
Ah, the ad hominem, a logical fallacy. That's what people do when they can't support their argument.


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