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General Off-Topic Board / California Bar Exam Shortened (made easier)?
« on: April 10, 2016, 12:24:55 PM »
Well, it's official.

After considering the issue for a while, Calbar has decided to shorten the bar exam to two days. This follows New York's adoption if the Uniform Bar Exam or whatever it's called.

I have mixed feelings.

The main difference is that the new bar will have 5 instead of 6 essays (a mistake, IMO), and one 90 minute PT instead of two 180 minute PTs (a good move, IMO). I felt that the PTs were pointless busy work, and would like to have seen them replaced or shortened anyway. Losing an essay, though, is not good. The essays test substantive legal knowledge and issue spotting, both super important.

I guess my ideal would be a three day exam with more essays/multiple choice, and less PTs.

The other issue, of course, is whether this will flood the CA market with more out of state attorneys since this exam will be (presumably) easier to pass.


General Off-Topic Board / University of La Verne
« on: March 15, 2016, 12:20:25 PM »
It looks like another law school has been added to the mix. The University of La Verne received full ABA accreditation today. A buddy of mine is a graduate, and shared the press release.

That's great for ULV, but damn, the so cal market is getting crowded. That makes something like ten ABA schools in the greater LA area?

The one advantage they have is that they're the only school in the Inland Empire, and they have a huge alumni network there.

Anyway, congrats to ULV.

General Off-Topic Board / Who would you hire?
« on: January 26, 2016, 06:03:14 PM »
Had lunch with a group of attorneys today, and this hypothetical came up (as it has before).

Lets say you were in charge of hiring a new associate. Who would you be more inclined to interview: a T14 grad ranked in the middle of the pack, or a T3-T4 valedictorian?

Our group was pretty academically diverse. We had T14 grads, T4 grads, and everything in between. Interestingly, the T4 grads seemed more likely to hire the T14 grad and the T14 guys were like "No way, take the higher ranked grad!".

One guy (a T14 grad) summed it up like this (I'm paraphrasing): the average T14 student and the T4 valedictorian are probably more or less intellectually equivalent. The difference is that the valedictorian works harder, and will probably be a more productive employee.   

I realize that there are many variables, but I think I agree with his assessment. It's far more competitive to get into a top school, but once you're there is it really that much more difficult to get average passing grades?

General Off-Topic Board / CA Bar Pass Rates, Feb 2015
« on: July 08, 2015, 05:12:34 PM »
Some here may find this interesting, some won't. Oh well, this is what happens when I'm bored. Here are the just released numbers for the Feb bar.

Note: some schools (the UCs, Stanford) had very low numbers of test takers. USC had only 1, (passed) so I didn't bother including them.

The schools with part time programs had more takers, as they often admit people in both Spring and Fall. So these are regular students as opposed to students who have had some problem which required them to stick around an extra semester. Thus, some schools' numbers are probably more reflective of their "actual" performance than others.

CA has too many damn law schools.

Berkeley                100%
Irvine                     80%
Stanford                79%
Chapman              75%
San Diego             74%
UCLA/Davis        71%
Pepperdine          70%
La Verne              67%
SCU/McGeorge  63%
Loyola               58%
Cwu/Hastings  56%
Southwestern   51%
TJSL                   45%
USF                    44%
Golden Gate     36%
Western State   32%
Whittier            30%

General Off-Topic Board / Who Should Pay Attention to Rankings?
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:16:14 AM »
Interesting article from Above the Law on who should or shouldn't worry about rankings. The basic idea seems to mirror what most attorneys say: unless you're in the running for Yale, look local.

Interesting article by Erwin Chemerinsky, Dean of the UCI law school and Conlaw giant. He argues that CA should follow NY's lead and adopt the Uniform Bar Exam. I'm not entirely sure what the UBE entails, but it does seem like CA's exam needs a reboot. The two, three hour long performance tests are absurd.
I'm all for a demanding bar exam that weeds out those who should not be lawyers, but a 39% pass rate? That almost seems punitive.

General Off-Topic Board / Is ANYONE moderating this site?
« on: May 11, 2015, 10:04:49 AM »
Please? Can we do something about the spam?

General Off-Topic Board / Mods, please help?!
« on: January 31, 2015, 09:32:08 AM »

Is there any way to stop the invasion? This site is being completely overrun.

Current Law Students / February California Bar Exam Stats are out...
« on: August 09, 2014, 05:41:38 PM »
Calbar has posted the stats for the last bar exam (Feb 2014). I couldn't link it here for some reason, maybe someone else can.

Here are a few highlights:

CA ABA first time pass rate: 68.6%
Out of state ABA: 44.3%
CA accredited 42.3%
CA unaccredited: 34.6%

Honorable mention goes to Pepperdine (92%) and La Verne (88%). A few other schools had 100% pass rates but only had a few students taking the bar. Both of these schools had decent numbers of test takers.

Among the CA accredited schools, Monterey had a 75% pass rate, and Ventura (67%) and Santa Barbara (69%) also did well. Others had much lower rates or only a few test takers.

Among unaccredited schools Concord (36%) beat the others by a mile, as most had 0% pass rates.

Current Law Students / Alito calls USNWR rankings an "abomination"
« on: June 14, 2014, 02:17:39 PM »

Interesting article. Apparently Alito, a Yale grad, thinks USNWR's law school rankings are a bunch of bunk. He seems to practice what he preaches and has only hired two Ivy League grads as clerks recently (of course, those clerks may have been from places like Michigan or Chicago).

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