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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Should I try for the top 3?
« on: May 10, 2007, 01:32:12 PM »
Mike,
     It is telling, but it is not about soft factors.  What that is really about is yield protection (yes, even at Stanford).  Stanford does not take many people from Yale and Harvard (probably do more for California and West Coast students).  Every year, a substantial amount of their class is taken from the waitlist.  Waitlisting these people keeps their yield down so they only accept people that might actually take them over Harvard or Yale.  Again, its a numbers game and having a low acceptance rate helps as far as rankings. 

Hmmm...I don't know about that.  At the Stanford ASW, I counted at least as many students from Harvard and Yale (each) as from Stanford--probably in the range of about 30 or so from the two schools alone.  Harvard, Yale, Penn, Princeton, Columbia, MIT and U Chicago are all huge feeders into Stanford's acceptance pool.  Moreover, a lot of them get accepted and still go elsewhere, so I don't think it's necessarily yield protection.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Should I try for the top 3?
« on: May 10, 2007, 01:07:06 PM »
Not necessarily true.  Stanford is a very desirable law school that is extremely selective-- if it chose to fill its class with all numerically strong candidates, then it probably could.  It doesn't have to differentiate between top GPA/LSAT scorers; it could just take them all.  Yet if you look at the class profile and the LSN statistics, they have chosen to reject or waitlist lots of high number candidates, and instead accepted people with slightly lower numbers. 

Granted, it may not be a representative sample, but approximately 20% of the Stanford acceptances on LSN have lower than a 170 on the LSAT.  In contrast, only 2% of the Harvard acceptances posted have lower than 170.  I think that's kind of telling.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Should I try for the top 3?
« on: May 10, 2007, 12:36:35 PM »
who do you all think has a better shot at stanford...someone with the OP's numbers or someone with a 169/3.9?

Neither would get in.  Stanford is so small, and seemingly relies so little on soft factors, that it might be the toughest law school to get into in the country.

I would argue that Stanford cares a lot about soft factors, probably much more so than most other law schools with the possible exceptions of Yale and Boalt.  Look at LSN: a lot of people are waitlisted or rejected with outstanding numbers, including a lot who got accepted to Harvard and several who got into Yale.  Clearly, something other than numbers must have been used to differentiate applicants. Faye Deal herself has said in interviews that she cares a lot about work experience, ethnic and socioeconomic diversity, etc.

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In my humble opinion, I think the willingness of students to pack up and go to a law school across the country for a "better opportunity" is misguided at best.  I don't believe there are national degrees.  I do believe there are stuck up firms that might really prefer Harvard over NYU or something like that, I'm sure it exists.  I just think it is overly-exaggerated on this board and I sincerely wish that people were more willing to pursue a professional path they planned out for themselves rather than trying to get the 'best' school they can.


I disagree-- I think there are definitely "national" law degrees.  Columbia sends a huge number of students to California, even though it's on the opposite coast.  A Harvard Law grad is going to be able to find a job pretty much anywhere, and (s)he would most likely fare a lot better in Texas, than a UNM graduate, for example.  Lots of law students don't know where they are going to end up after law school--and lots of people end up relocating due to personal or professional reasons.  Going to a more "national" law school means a more portable degree, should your plans change.

Moreover, students from top-ranked law schools tend to have more options available to them than students at lower-ranked schools.  Just compare the average salaries, clerkship percentages, academia placement, etc.  It's certainly not silly or whimsical to go to a school that improves your career opportunities.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Stanford Law '10
« on: May 03, 2007, 09:39:12 PM »
I just wanted to start a thread for everyone who's headed to Stanford Law this fall-- introduce yourself, ask questions, or just chat!

I look forward to meeting everyone in August!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: turning down yale
« on: May 01, 2007, 05:20:33 PM »
Just writing to thank you all for your input! After much deliberation and talking with a Yale prof who concurred that Yale's Intl Law offerings were slim to none, I deposited at Columbia. Columbia's offerings in intl law and labor are more or less equivalent to NYU's, and like NYU, my scholarship comes with a mentorship component.

Come finals next year, I may regret my decision. But in the meantime, I'm looking forward to living in the city and graduating with modest debt.

Yale Law is a very happy place and I am sure you will enjoy LOVE your time there. I will definitely be swinging by for the Rebellious Lawyering Conference!


Congratulations on your decision, moglidabear!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boalt vs CLS
« on: April 30, 2007, 07:24:40 PM »
I also thought CLS students were pretty happy when I visited, and the school overall seems like a great opportunity and experience.  Objectively, I do think that CLS has an advantage over Boalt, but they are both great schools and you can't go wrong with either choice.  Go with your gut feeling.

P.S. Congrats on your acceptances!  These are some great, great choices to have. :)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: turning down yale
« on: April 29, 2007, 04:26:43 PM »
I met ofelia at Stanford.  She's really sweet.  She didn't apply to Yale because of 1) New Haven and 2) the extra essay.  Tis a shame, because she and her SO, who's also sweet, would've gotten in and might've been swayed!

I also met ofelia and her fiance at Stanford.  They are really nice and amazing people-- definitely not flame.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: turning down yale
« on: April 27, 2007, 09:51:45 PM »
I'll keep that blue folder as a warning.  :)  So you want to end up in DC after law school?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: turning down yale
« on: April 27, 2007, 09:30:58 PM »
Yep, I'm headed to Stanford this fall!  I was really sad to withdraw from Yale, but in the end, the personal factors didn't work out, and I think SLS is a slightly better fit for my personality.

I had a lot of fun at the YLS ASW.  All of you Yale LSD'ers (prolesurge, nerdphanie, letylyf, forthefunofit, szerena, stuart, denny, ken, etc.) are an awesome, intersting, and very accomplished bunch.  If anything, it would've been fun to attend YLS just to be at the same school as you all.  Definitely let me know if you're ever in the Bay Area!

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