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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: May 18, 2007, 02:22:34 AM »
If it's anything like last year the $600 serves as a seat deposit.  It's nonrefundable if you don't pass because 1.) they want to make sure you take things seriously and 2.) they don't want to spend a ton of money on you guys for nothing.  As much as this is an investment for you, it's an investment for the school too.  As I said, last year they provided a place to stay (for free), occasional lunches w/speakers (for free), books (for free), plus the cost of administrators and professors that handle the program.  So trust me when I say this, $600 is not that much compared to what you're getting.  Plus, if you get in, it goes towards your seat deposit/tuition so you would of had to pay for it anyway.

It sounds like they are keeping the program about the same.  Yes, you have to pass a bunch of tests (it was 1 every Friday so 4 or 5 total) but it's NOT THAT HARD.  Trust me. . .we sweat it a LOT more than we needed to I think.  It's kinda like 1L, people put a lot of pressure for no good reason.  I don't know why, but it happens.  The stuff the test you on ranges from what's IRAC to how does the judicial system work.  So it's nothing you can't pass.  Plus, it's not like they grade you on a curve.  In fact, I can't even remember if we got a letter grade.  Don't sweat it.

The Academic Acehievement Program - AAP is mandatory but it's not like ANYONE in the law school will ever be able to distinguish you from it because AAP is open to ALL 1Ls.  I actually think it is REALLY beneficial to have a 2L to ask questions about law school, the professor you have, etc etc.  Even if AAP wasn't required, I probably would have done it anyway.

Bottom line is . . .don't look at the conditional program as such a negative thing.  As much as this seems to suck right now, look at it as a blessing.  There's people who have MUCH better scores than you that did not get in and/or who are waitlisted.  A guy in my section was admitted the Monday of orientation and I know for a fact that his scores were MUCH better than mine.  Plus the program at DU is not designed to be sink or swim nor is it a chance for them to weed people out.  Think of it more as one of those commercial law school prep courses.  You get to meet a group of people who are in the same position as you who you'll be very close with by orientation.  Your anxiety is understandable.  I was on this board last summer with the same concerns as you.  Relax, enjoy the summer, and get the most out of the program.  You'll get the opportunity to meet adiministraors, professors, and local attorneys before any 1Ls even think about showing up for classes.

SMO - I hope CU takes you off the waitlist but if they don't. . .enjoy your summer.  Your soon to be summer TA and your professor ("again". . .you'll see what I mean by this) are both amazing people/mentors/friends!  They opened the door for you, you just have to let yourself in.  Good luck!

Cesco - My section had a 24 hr con law, 24 or 8 hr crim (depending on the professor), and 8 hr property. . .it was hellish, but we were done last Thursday.  I have a few friends in your section and I know they were ready to kill themselves with the 2 week con law final.  Plus you guys had Marsh who I hear is love or hate.  Congrats again on finishing 1L!!  Good luck with the grades. . .half my section already got LP grades so hopefully this means we don't have to wait as long as last semester for grades.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: May 17, 2007, 05:34:40 PM »
Yea I agree w/cesco and matthies.  Aurora isn't bad if you want something cheap and want the big box stores in your neighborhood.  You have to be pretty selective though and the closer to the Denver boarder the better.  I just don't think it's that convenient to school.  There's other neighborhoods in town that are nice. . .Wash Park, Capitol Hill, DTC, and Cherry Creek mall area.  Drive around in the different areas.  People can give you personal opinions but unless you ACTUALLY go there and look around you can't really make a good judgment.  You might actually like Aurora, who knows?

Congrats cesco on joining the 2L club!!  It's about time section 1 & 2 finish! ;D

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Yay for the no-longer-1Ls!!!
« on: May 11, 2007, 06:15:31 PM »
I AM NO LONGER A 1L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Congrats everyone!  Th scare ya to death is over. . .now comes work ya to death.

It feels so good!  Off to get drunk with my section!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: May 11, 2007, 05:51:57 PM »
Wow, that is so exciting. How long had you been on the waitlist??? Did they call you? Congrats!!!

It is very exciting!  I was on the waitlist for about 1 month.  Yes they called me, and it was one of those moments you wish you could bottle so that you could experience it again!

Thanks for all the nice comments.  It seems like there is a good group headed to denver, and a good group already there!

Congrats!  That is so exciting!

I am still concerned about the bar passage rates...makes me scared.

People fail the bar not schools. This would be like getting upset at your undergrad for not preparing you for the LSAT.

I'm excited about Denver, actually really excited, but Villanova is more the region I want to practice in.

I agree with the comment about the bar.  Plus, the school is REALLY serious about raising the bar %.
I hope you have a nice visit to Denver.  Either way, congrats on having such a difficult decision!  :)

Ok I'm off to celebrate the end of 1L with my section!  It's a beautiful day in Denver! ;D

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: May 08, 2007, 08:31:48 PM »
We got an email a while ago about this place.  Seems kinda like an off campus undergrad dorm to me. . .

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver...HURRY UP!
« on: May 08, 2007, 03:46:33 PM »
I believe I said this before but EVERYONE FROM THE PROGRAM WAS ACCEPTED.

BUT...DO NOT TAKE THE CONDITIONAL PROGRAM LIGHTLY.  Just because they let all 20 of us in last year, doesn't mean they will again this year.  As stressful as the situation is, it's comforting to know that whether you get in or not is in YOUR hands.

Oh, and we were told last year, we were "experimental" meaning, they've never had a conditional program before so they may change things this year. . .who knows?

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver...HURRY UP!
« on: May 08, 2007, 02:45:50 PM »
SMO - I replied to your PM.  But yes, if you don't prove yourself they can say no.  Looking back, it's not that bad (but I can say the same for 1L) but you'll feel like you can't breathe until they say "Congrats, you have been accepted".

It was actually a pretty good experience last year.  I learned a lot and had a handful of good friends before school started.

If it's anything like last year, you won't get your papers until a few weeks before the program or they'll just email you the info.  Call/email them with questions.  When are they doing this anyway?

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver...HURRY UP!
« on: May 08, 2007, 02:59:53 AM »
Don't lose hope yet SMO!!  This time last year, I thought was rejected too but I'm here!  Oh, if this makes you feel any better there's a guy in my section who got accepted the Monday of orientation so you just never know! (Hopefully you won't have to wait that long)  Good luck!

To answer your ? about the conditional program. . .
So about the conditional program, so for a month you did what in this program?
- We read cases, wrote a memo, had an oral argument, learned study skills, took mock final exams, learned IRAC, had lunches with local attorneys/law school professors/students, and just basic stuff about courts/jurisprudence

Did you study every day?
- Yes, looking back I think we all over did it a bit.  But yes, I studied everyday out of fear that they'd say no.

Do you think you needed the program?
- I'm not sure if I NEEDED it per se.  I think it was useful though.  I learned how to brief cases and outline before school started.

Was there a lot of kids there?
There was about 20 of us (FT & PT combined).  We were all accepted at the end.  There was also a few scholarships based on the performance over the summer.

As far as I know, all of us there had REALLY low numbers but something in our PS that made us attractive.  In a sense, they took a chance with us.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver...HURRY UP!
« on: May 03, 2007, 10:14:13 PM »
I don't know if this will make any of you feel any better but I applied in late Dec/eary Jan last year.  Didn't hear a thing from DU so I called a couple times to check on my status (around late March/early April).  When I called I literally said, "Hi, I'm just calling to check the status of my application" and when they told me, I thanked them and hung up.  I didn't call everyday or even every week.  I think I called a total of 2 times.  I don't know for certain, but I get a feeling that they keep a record when you call and maybe that indicates to them that you are interested.

Anyway, out of the blue in early/mid May, Wende calls me and invites me to a conditional program (completely free, housing included. . .just need to get myself to Denver).  My scores are WAY below the average #.  I go through a one month program (kind of like a study skills/overview of the law kinda thing) and got accepted.  Every single one of us that went through actually got in (either PT or FT depending on what you applied to. . .a few of the people actually even switched divisions by orientation).  I guess my point is this. . .

1.) DO NOT give up hope
2.) Your calls are not ignored in the admin office
3.) Wende and Karen (admissions director) are the most approachable, nice people in the world. . .CALL THEM, VISIT THEM, they want to accept people who's going to attend.  They still call me by first name when they see me.
4.) DO NOT give up hope
5.) Be patient
6.) Yes, they REALLY do read your PS.  I talked to a professor on the admissions committee at a reception recently who said he takes it very seriously.  I think this was the ONLY reason they even invited me to a conditional program.
7.) Do NOT be scared to call, visit, write. . .of course, don't over do it.

I too am a student at DU so if you have any questions, PM me.  No, I don't work in the admissions office.  I just know what it feels like to check the mailbox everyday (even after the mail man has come and gone), wait by the phone, computer for some change in the status.  Good luck!  Back to studying for finals. . .

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: May 03, 2007, 09:42:49 PM »
I personally wouldn't live in any apts near campus but it's not because of the noise (it's not THAT bad. . .DU undergrad is the farthest thing from a party school. . .I actually think law students party harder than the undergrads) but because of the ameneties/conditions of the apts.  Also, I can't imagine all day at the school and only going across the street to go home.  A lot of my friends do live in the apts right near the law school and they don't seem to have a problem with it.  To be honest, I do get jealous of their ability to walk home for a quick lunch/break.  Or rolling out of bed 5 mins before class (esp for a 9am lecture).

Wash Park area is really nice.  It's close to campus and has a lot of cute little shops.  Rentals in Wash Park are hard to come by but if you keep checking Craigslist I'm sure you'll find something.

Oh, and light rail is free with a DU ID.

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