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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U. Colorado or U. Denver? Help!!
« on: January 29, 2008, 09:45:26 PM »
So are the bar passages rates calculated on both adminstrations or first time takers or what?

For those of you that are attending either of these schools what is the worst thing/biggest disappointment that you have with the school?

While were at it what is the best thing? (I dont really care about cheerleading thought so feel free to skip this part.)

Bar passage: As far as I know, our latest was at 80% or something for first time takers.  Go to the CO state supreme court for more info on that.  And yes, the administration is doing a lot to raise the bar passage. . .some kind of over the top(see #4 & 5).
1.) 2 professors who teach bar prep classes for 3Ls
2.) A supplementary weekend bar prep program
3.) Encouraging profs to give closed book, timed exams
4.) Grade distribution not posted
5.) Curving most classes

Worse/biggest disappointment = it's expensive & admin comes up with silly ideas (see #4 & 5 above)
Best = there's always something going on.  law firm networking events, lunch time talks, awesome speakers, (just this year we've had sandra day o'connor, mitt romney, co supreme court justices, etc. . .oh & did i mention that barack obama & bill clinton are coming to du tomorrow?)

Any word on the admin problems that have been mentioned previously. It seems there is a strong focus on enviornmental law related programs, if this is not an interest, would you be at a disadvantage at DU?

DU's envorinmental law program is really strong & pretty popular.  There is also a lot of focus on international law & corporate law. . .and I would say that the three areas of law have equal amounts of interests.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: October 26, 2007, 03:40:48 PM »
My dates are a little weird because I got in through a conditional program. . .but, for whatever it's worth here is my timeline from 2006 entering class.

Applied in late Dec/early Jan.
Confirmation received within a month.
Invitation to summer conditional program in early May.
Summer conditional program in July.
Acceptance about 2 days after the end of program.

You may also want to check other people's status on LSN to get a general idea.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: August 11, 2007, 06:31:45 PM »
DU - CU difference
Class size (DU is bigger)
University size (CU is bigger)
City (DU:Urban, CU:Mountain)
Price (DU:Expensive/Private, CU:Instate/Public)
Rankings (CU is ranked slightly higher)
Sports (DU:Hockey, CU:Football)
Bar passage (CU is better*)
Alumni (DU has more*)
*due to class size

I think ultimately it comes down to personal preference/cost. . .I've heard good arguments for both schools.  The job prospects, professors, & buildings are about the same (both very new) so make sure you visit!

Hope you're getting excited to start!  I cannot believe I'm already a 2L! (bittersweet)  Enjoy the rest of the summer!  8)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: July 02, 2007, 03:28:57 PM »
Hey Matthies and somany-

I have these profs:

Scales, Taylor, Rogers, & Cai

You guys had these professors before?  You said that Taylor was tough, but that's alright with me!  What about the others?



Again, I suggest that you go to the above referenced cite & email Laurie for the password.  It'll give you prof. evals from students.  Not that it matters much because you can't change your professors but it's not to have people's prospective on professors so you know what to expect.

Scales - From what I hear she is awesome.  I've been to a talk she had at the law school and she is so funny, smart, and seems like a wonderful person.  She leans left & is a huge feminist & gay/lesbian supporter (is that policitally incorrect?).  Last year people had her for civ pro & torts. . .I've heard more good things about her than bad.  I think people just really enjoy her class because she's so easy going & humorous.

Taylor - Again, VERY VERY tough. . .if you don't have time to read for any other class, read for hers.  Takes time to get used to her but very smart and engaging professor.  Has somewhat of a dry, sarcastic humor.

Rogers - don't know anything about him/her.  The LP profs seem to change pretty frequently. . .

Cai - I had her for property & I liked her a lot.  She is smart and quick witted.  Some people take offense to her humor but she really means no harm.  Also, she has a strange accent. . .if you figure it out, lemme know. . .it's a mix between British & something else.  Known as the best dressed prof. in law school, dating one of the prof (go to her office hours & you'll find out immediately), and speaks a gazillion languages.  She is extremely accomplished at her age (early 30's).  Worked at Skadden & Mofo before teaching at DU.  Two books to buy: Gilbert's Property & Edward's Future interest.  She'll recommend those (and others) to you but you really should purchase them.  Get them at the SBA bookstore.  Alphabetical on-call system, online quizes (not graded but must participate), and a final worth 90%.  Her final was TOUGH.  She gives you sample exams and you should take every single one.  Also, if you need advising or want career counseling, go see her.  She's wonderful.  Oh, and her name is pronounced like the tea. . .Chai. . .something about immigration messing up the spelling or something.  LOL

Anything interesting happen in America lately?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: June 30, 2007, 03:00:15 AM »
Civil Procedure, Lucy A. Marsh

Contracts, Celia R. Taylor

Lawyering Process I, Tanya K. Brown

Torts, Catherine E. Smith

Thoughts?  My immediate reaction is a very pleasant surprise; they're all female! 

Thanks :)

If by pleasant suprise you mean easy. . .you got it all wrong.  Marsh, Taylor, & Smith are notorious for being very hard.  AS Matthies said Marsh wins the bloody hatchet award every year.  Taylor is nominated every year.

Marsh - gives 3 or 4 exams throughout the semester.  People had her for property last semester and either loved or hated her.   She makes you use her dad's 4 color method.  She is just a really old lady stuck in her ways.  Rants about how she hates laptops, gives out "demerits", and if you ask her to repeat the question you have to close your laptop for 2 weeks.  I believe Cesco had her. . .might want to ask her for more details.

Taylor - She is a tough cookie.  A very very good professor but scary.  She can spot someone surfing the internet & will come at you with hard questions.  Last semester, she gave a midterm & final.  No long BS fact pattern & pretty straight forward.  Everyone goes to Taylor's class prepared.  I had her for contracts last semester. . .I was terrified of her but looked forward to her classes.  She was one of my favorite professors last year.

Brown - don't know about her

Smith - Are you in SI?  Your TA had her last semester I believe.  Anyhow, I hear she's tough.  For the longest time, I thought she was a student at the law school.  Ha.

Faculty evaluations (from students) can be found here
Email Lauri at for the password.  I have it but would rather not post it on a public message board.

In case yall don't know, there's a facebook group for admitted students for DU '10.  Check here:


Should have made it for incoming class 07 or something . . .class of '10 could also include evening 2Ls.

What is facebook?  Matt, I really enjoyed you guys last night.  We discussed our plans to come hang out with you guys every T/Th. 

Facebook = myspace to register  It used to be restricted to students but now it's open to the public

Ok well I hope everyone is having a fun, relaxing summer.  My plans for London got cancelled today (due to obvious reasons) so I just wanted to drop by and say hi.  :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: June 24, 2007, 12:23:49 PM »
Hey Ellis, did you read that chapter that Wende e-mailed to everyone? What did you think? Also, the first thing on the schedule for Tuesday morning is diagnostic exams. Any thoughts on what they will be covering??

The diagnostic exam is the computer grammar test I was telling you about.  We all did really horribly on it last year.  The worst part is, you have to take it over soon after orientation.  They also make you take this weird study skills exma (also on the computer).   "Do you normally get anxious before an exam. . .Most definitely true, likely true, most likely not true, etc" . . .nothing you need to or can study for.

I am at my study abroad program in Europe so I probably won't be checking this that often.  But, I wish all the SI people the best of luck.  Don't stress, it's really not that hard.  Stress just makes it harder because the material isn't that bad.  Look forward to seeing ya'll in the fall. . .IF I decide to leave this country that is!!   ;D

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: June 21, 2007, 07:48:30 PM »
Matthies, great so now I have someone to detail my car when it gets there.  You guys are greater than I thought.  SMO, I know you probably told me already, but are you going to stay on campus for SI?  I know you live there, but maybe for bonding or something.
Dude I worked on his car for eight hours ot in the 98 degree wheather. I am totally worn out, skipping class tonight

Way to pick one of the hottest, humidest (humidest??) day so far!!  Haha

So I am trying to decide if I should get the Dell or use my Apple laptop. I wish the Dell wasn't so expensive, because I'd like to have the same computer that everyone else has. Are most of you getting the Dell??

It really doesn't matter what kind of computer you have or what everyone else has.  Go with the one you feel most comfortable buying/owning (school started to support Macs this year & computer tech Saul is a Mac man).  BUT. . .MAKE SURE YOU GET A 3 YEAR WARRANTY/INSURANCE!!!  You DO NOT want your computer to give you problems (now or while you're studying for the bar).  Also, buy a USB drive (or other back up device) and BACK UP everything religiously.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: June 20, 2007, 09:29:00 AM »
Oh and Matthis, didn't you say you are in the PT program? How many nights a week do you have class??

M-TH, my 1L year is was 6PM-9:15 PM, we never have Friday night classes.

Day students had Friday classes.  :(
But no Friday classes for me this fall! :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: June 19, 2007, 10:15:32 AM »
A few people in my section commuted from Colo Springs, Castle Rock, & as far away as Loveland.

There are pros and cons of both FT/PT.  The day class spends all day and night on law school stuff (what else do they have going on?) whereas the night class has a life outside of law school (family, jobs, etc).  I hear the night students are more laid back (in that they don't spend 24/7 reading, briefing, stressing over law school, etc).  Don't confuse laid back with lazy or you'll be in for a big suprise because they run a tight shift.  I think the only real con I see in going PT is that most student orgs are geared towards day time students (noon meetings, events in the evening, etc) so if you work, you'll miss out on some student org stuff.  And maybe graduating in 4 years but I hear a lot of part timers finish in 3 years.  Other than that I don't see much of a difference.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
« on: June 18, 2007, 08:45:00 AM »
You guys are absolutely correct about the 5-8pm.  My mind is already gone.  $40?  That sucks.  Is that $40 for the year, or what?  I can do for the whole year.  Do you work out?

$40 for the time we were there.  Maybe they won't charge you this year since they're charging you for the rooms.  Once you're a student, it's included in the fees. . .it's a really nice gym.

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