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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: April 29, 2008, 11:29:05 AM »
I visited DU a couple weeks ago. I really like the school and absolutely loved the city. However, I'm having a hard time deciding between American University and DU.

AU is one of the most expensive schools in the country. I can allay some of those costs by living at home, but that would suck, and I'd still come out with well over 110k in debt. However, AU is known for its International Law program, which is what I want to study.

DU offered me a great scholarship and I really feel like I could be more competitive there. There are ample opportunities in the city and I loved the laid back vibe of life out by the mountains. I was told that the class size would be reduced to around 200 students from the upper 300's, but I wasn't offered any sort of guarantee on that. I feel like this would almost be a deal breaker. I'd like to go to a school with a smaller class size and a better faculty/student ratio. Can anyone confirm that this is actually happening or is admissions using this as a tool to lure people in?


The dean sent out an email a few weeks ago about ranking and mentioned that the class was going to be smaller, I canít remember if he said it was for this coming year or next, but if thatís what you were told maybe its for this years incoming class. Even then 300 would be for the day AND evening divisions, not just for the day. Our evening divisions was like 92 students. Plus your divided into like 60-70 person class sections out of the 200 day students (all night students are in one section).

I would NOT put much stock into thinking you would be more competitive at DU than AU, if you think that based on LSAT score. First and foremost its been my experience in real life there is not a very good correlation between LSAT and actual performance, not enough to give any credence to think you would do better at one school than another. Second it seems, again from personal experience, the more one prepped for the LSAT the lower the actual correlation is. Finally, it would be unwise to think that everyone who comes to DU came there as the highest ranked school they could get into. The vast majority of my classmates only applied to CO schools, even if their numbers where high enough to get them into better schools, because they did not want to leave the state.

In the end my advice would be go to the school and you think you will enjoy the most. DU has a good international program, but it does not likely make up for being in D.C. for the types of internships you could get. But you may change your focus anyway once you get in law school. So go to the school you think you will enjoy most for 3 years and is where you want to live after school. Good luck with your decision.


I didn't mean I'd be more competitive because DU isn't a good school. I meant more competitive for reviews and journals 1) because the class size would be significantly smaller and 2) I would be more competitive in the job market in Denver with a DU degree (arguably the 2nd best school in region, depending on who you ask) than I would be in the DC market with an AU degree (arguably 4th best school in region, depending on who you ask).

Go to the school in the region where you want to live/work after law school.  DU is a good school but if you want to stay in the DC area, AU would be a smarter, easier choice.  Because both schools are "regional" schools, law firms/attorneys are bias towards the students in area schools (bigger alumni base, regional office OCI, clercking during school year, tc).  Besides, it is easier to network with people when you are already there. . .networking is HUGE.  You have a tough decision ahead of you. . .but it is a good place to be.  Good luck!

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: April 29, 2008, 11:24:50 AM »
In by phone call this afternoon. Very excited!

Congrats!! :)

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: April 29, 2008, 11:24:20 AM »
anyone taking the bait on the summer preview class?



I've heard mixed reviews about this.  My year, it was free. . .I don't know why they started charging people.  I say it is more a psychologicial help than anything else (calms the nerves about law school, etc).

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: April 29, 2008, 11:22:33 AM »
I finally found an apartment for next year and i'm beyond excited... Though it is nerve-wracking, as I have not seen the place in-person.

The complex is called The Covington at Cherry Creek and is only about three miles south of DU. For a 3rd floor, 1065sq.ft, 2bed/2bath place rent is around 880. Utilities aren't included, though :( I was seeking out a place with a good pet policy and a washer/dryer in unit, and The Covington has both. My sig. other is a pharmacist in the Denver area, and I will living/splitting rent with him, and am very thankful for that opportunity-- It's letting me cut back on my loan amount by about $400-500 each year, and every little bit helps.

Have any of you heard of this apartment complex before? I'm praying that I didn't just put a deposit on a total dump, but based on online reviews/photos it seems nice enough. Only three more months!!!  ;D

I'm stoked that it's biking distance from DU (and walking distance if I have extra time on my hands)

A couple of my friends lived & some still live in the Covington.  It is a pretty decent apt complex.  I'm not sure if it's walking distance though. . .at least I couldn't walk that far.  But then again, maybe I'm just too lazy or out of shape.   :P

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: April 22, 2008, 11:31:15 AM »
Even during rush hour, traffic in Denver isn't really that bad.  Unless you've lived in a rural area with 1 stop light for the most of your life, you'll find that Denver commute is really doable.  I have classmates who commute from Colo Springs!  Would I do it? No.  But it's certainly doable.  From Broomfield I would look at about 30-45mins depending on the time of day and how fast you drive.   ;)

Hope good news is on your way!  Let us know.

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: April 18, 2008, 11:42:35 AM »
Request for a current DU student: If you know anyone in admissions, can you please ask them if they plan to send out another batch of admittances anytime soon now that the first deposit deadline has passed? 7 months and still waiting for a decision, a letter, an email - something from DU!I did verify that I am complete and at committee.



Hang in there, not hear anything is always better than hearing no. I did not get my accpatnce until April I think.

I agree. . .it probably means you  are still being considered.  I didn't hear back from DU til May.  If you are really that curious, call them. . .everyone in admissions is nice.

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I don't mean to downplay your learning disability & I really hope you can reapply but isn't time the biggest problem for most people on the LSAT? 

Again, I really hope you find the answers to your questions and good luck! :)

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 29, 2008, 12:20:45 AM »
Skinsfan123: PM me w/your questions.
We are in EXTREMELY similar situations (international law, relocating after graduation, etc). . .minus the dual degree (which I considered for a while but decided against).  I've been talking to A LOT of alums, career services, current 3Ls who are moving after graduation, etc with many of the same questions you have.

Denver isn't exactly the international law capital of the country.  Many attorneys here will attest to that.  That being said, Denver has the most federal government agencies after Washington, DC.

On the location issue, I agree 100% w/Matties (as if this is new).  Outside of truly national schools, go to schools in the city, state, region you want to practice.  It is easier to network, find jobs, and get your foot in the legal community.  Also, alumni and school ties has A LOT to do with who gets hired from what school.

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 27, 2008, 02:58:58 AM »
I applied to DU with the impression that the school had a strong International Law program. I am well aware of Denver's excellent reputation for high quality studies in International Relations, outside of the law program, but am not certain about their credentials for International Law. I received a $20k a year scholarship which really piqued my interest. However, I only plan on attending if I can have some assurances about being able to obtain a dual degree in International Law and International Relations. How does this process work? Do you have to pay extra tuition? Do you have to take the GREs to get accepted into the Master's program? I have had a hard time getting ahold of any deans, maybe you current DU students can help...

I'm not sure what kind of assurance you are looking for but I would consider International Law is among the three most popular concentration/area of law among students.  Top 3 Biggies: Environmental, Business, International

Joint degree: Yes, you can get a joint degree.  I know quite a few people who are getting a JD/MIS (Masters in International Studies).  No assurances though. . .I don't know your credentials nor am I an admissions officer.  You just have to apply & see.  But I think if you gain admissions into the law school, you have a fair shot at GSIS (Graduate school of international studies).  Not really sure about the application process but I know you have to apply and get accepted to both schools.  If you get into one but not the other, you can reapply. . .I think it takes 4 years (instead of 5) for the dual degree but I know people who are trying to finish in 3.  Some of the credits transfer and gets applied towards the law degree.  Extra tuition?. . .you pay for whatever credits you take.  I think they might accept your LSAT score (not sure though).  You should call the admissions office NOT the dean.  By the way. . .this applies to the JD/MBA as well.  The only difference is that you would apply to the Daniels School of Business.

Can anyone tell me about transferring into Sturm? Has anyone here done it? What do they look at? I'm looking to transfer from a tier 3.

I didn't transfer in BUT. . .I know about 10 students who transferred in this year.  I think the main thing is your 1st year grades.  Call the admissions office and ask.

Still nothing from Denver..I called today and spoke with Doug.  He looked up my profile and verifid that a decision has been made, but that he couldnt give it out over the phone.  Is that normal? If I were accepted, would they have told me over the phone...?

Actually, I called and they said the same thing, it is just policy. I was accepted with a scholarship, so not saying anything over the phone is just standard.

You just have to wait for it, it could go either way.

Oh ok...That I will! I just thought that may have been indication..I'll keep everyone posted..

My fingers are crossed for you!!! Good luck- hopefully you'll hear something ASAP

I hope good news is on its way!

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 16, 2008, 04:27:03 AM »
Yeah, thanks for the advice, but I am not talking about downtown. I am talking about the Cheesecake Factory in Highlands Ranch or Maggiano's. Just those two places. I love both restaurants, and my wife has never been to Maggiano's before so I am leaning there right now.



Go to Maggiano's.  There's a HUGE one off of 25 by Exit 199 (I think?). . .if you pass it, you'll see it on the highway. . .it's HUGE.

Like the previous poster said, I wouldn't go to either.  But then again, that wasn't your question.

Have fun visiting. . .hope the weather is nice for you.  It's bipolar as of late.

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