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Yes, you've all definitely caught on that I probably give a little too much importance to the LSAT.  My logic was totally not backed up by any real-world experience... pretty much drawing assumptions about where my LSAT score places me.  For example, that there'd be some difference I'd notice between a place where my score is higher than the 75%-tile, vs. a place where my score was the median.  (These are the choices I'm looking at.)

There are definitely a lot of soft factors and culture that will come into play, I'm sure.

by the way, your class rank will be arbitrary as well, so don't assume you will automatically do better at the lower-ranked school.

I'm catching on to this as well.  And trying to learn what I can about what is required to succeed.

Current Law Students / Re: Godd**mn grades
« on: June 16, 2006, 07:37:26 PM »
Everytime I come out of an exam or hand in a paper and believe that I have totally bombed it, I have gotten an A. Conversely, everytime I think that I have nailed a paper or exam, I have gotten either a B- or C+.

Pretty soon, I am not going to study at all and go into a exam cold just to see if my streak continues.

Ok, so there have been several posts like this - it sounds like it's definitely a phenomenon.  But no one's tried to explain this.

For you all that this has happened to - what did you find out after looking at your marked up exams, or talking to the profs?  Was it a matter of studying the wrong way?  The wrong material?  Or perhaps unclear instructions or teaching?

I'm researching law schools, and it looks like there's a dilemma that most applicants face:

* You can look for a challenging academic atmosphere; a student body with people who are also on your level (and maybe for once in your life!), where there are discussions that will be thought-provoking, etc.  But in this case, you're probably at the median of the student body.  Possibly your class rank will be median as well. (?)


* You can go to a school where you're well above the median (for example, LSAT-wise), where you'll be more assured of a good class-ranking, and where you'll probably be given more money for attending.  This will help ensure a more solid financial future (maybe), but it might also mean a less stimulating environment, and fewer peers.

So I ask you, law school students - is this a false dilemma?  Or did you face it?  What decision did you make?  And finally, looking back, are you happy with your decision?


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Lewis and Clark or California Schools?
« on: February 25, 2007, 03:38:33 PM »
Just adding my two cents:  I've lived in Portland 5 years, and L&C is the only law school I've applied to. 

It was my only choice anyhow outside of a T14. 

But now I've also decided that staying in Portland, living here, keeping my roots, is important enough to only consider L&C.

I'm know a lot of L&C people.

Here's some info about it:

* Very liberal - which I love.
* Very dog friendly.  Admins or profs bring their dogs, students too, on occasion.
* Portland is a way freaking liberal town.  That's why I'm here. :-)  It's unfortunately not extremely diverse - racially, as well as some certain subcultures.  (For example, the gay scene may be 'balanced' in SF, but here in PDX there are relatively a lot more gay women.)

To reply to an earlier sentiment - Portland can feel like a very big town, or very small town, depending on what you're used to.

(I've lived in NYC as well as tiny places.)

Personally, for me, it's "big town" enough:  There are so many coffeeshops, music venues, bars, events, etc that I can't keep up (although, Lord I've tried.)  So, for me, that pretty much meets my personal criteria for "big enough".

Take a trip up here, and see for yourself...

Hi all,

Lewis & Clark suggests that one write an additional essay if applying for any of their six categories of scholarships.

(I checked off several of the boxes for what to consider for, and am deciding between aiming my essay towards the Business Law (which has IP as a component) category or Public Interest.)

Anybody have any thoughts about the content of an essay like this?  I have a ton of experience as an IT consultant doing a wide range of work of business process analysis, software implementation, etc.

I'm thinking about doing a write up of a recent project I did - (I'm preparing this for publication anyways) - and submit it, as it highlight my analysis skills, ability to abstract, and in the context of software and business processes.

I think that's probably a good route to go, but I'm a little unsure of how to frame the essay - whether to introduce it by saying exactly the above, or whether to let the reader come to their own conclusion, etc.

Thanks for any feedback!

My suggestion:  Keep it succinct, manageable and strong.

You haven't said why you're writing an addendum, but the fact that you are means that there's something in your application that requires clarification, or more explanation.  In other words, a negative that you'd like to turn into a positive.

So personally, I'd say that you shouldn't be giving your readers the burden of a lengthy paper to read - added length may also signal defensiveness.

I suggest filling 2/3 of one page with 1.5-spaced text.  That will guarantee that it'll be to the point, and also will be read.

You're right - W&L doesn't use an index.  Here's an interesting LSAC search result (although it lacks the broader applicability of your system)...

Yes, one difference I see is that you're using absolute values for LSAT and GPA.  For better or for worse, my ranking uses only relative values.  So for example,  Vermont is listed in the "high-LSAT" category.  This does NOT mean that they search for a high LSAT per se, but rather that they weigh the LSAT more highly than the GPA.

Here's what LSAC says:

The Admission Index
Some law schools combine your LSAT score and GPA to produce an index number to assist them in the admission process. An index number is provided on the LSDAS Law School Report for LSDAS-requiring law schools that choose to have one reported. You can calculate what index number will be reported for each LSAT score by using the values listed in the Admission Index Information Sheet. You should be aware that the index number reported to law schools may differ if a school changes their index formula after we have made this report available to you. You should contact each school to which you apply if you have questions about how it uses the index number in the
admission process.

An admission index is produced by (1) multiplying the LSAT score by some constant (A); (2) multiplying the GPA by some constant (B); and (3) adding the sum of these two quantities to a third constant (C). In symbols, Index = [(A) x (LSAT)] + [(B) x (GPA)] + C. The values of the constants A, B, and C, as selected by individual law schools, are listed on the Admission Index Information Sheet. The values of the constants selected by particular law schools may change from time to time at the request of the school. If you have more than one LSAT score and an average LSAT score is reported, an index number will also be reported using the average LSAT score. Not all law schools use these formulas, and those that do use index numbers do not necessarily use them in the same way. An index number calculated by LSAC is not the exclusive means by which a law school may combine data reflected on the law school report and/or other data. The absenceof a law school from the Admission Index Information Sheet does not mean that some calculations are or are not made by the school receiving the law school report.

I really like the concept.  However, what are you using for "XLSAT" and "XGPA"?  Looking at your Emory example, I couldn't really tell.

Also, I think of W&L as being a school that emphasizes LSAT over GPA, but didn't see it on here.

Also, do you have a link to the Admission Index Information Sheet that's backing this up?  I couldn't find it on LSAC and would really like to see it - although I'm not a hard-core math geek, I have a soft spot for statistics :)

Thanks for the feedback.  Here's the original data source:

I'll update my page with it.  It may be that W&L doesn't use the "Index" system. (?)  I'll add some text to make it clear that not all schools do this.

thanks, how did you go about this??  Just plugged in numbers from the LSAT and GPA 25-75 %iles???

Also, I dunno if this was supposed to be a complete list, but there are schools missing

At the bottom of the page, I have a "Methodology" section.  There are some schools missing because they weren't in the original data set.

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