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Current Law Students / Re: Should I file Bankruptcy...
« on: February 27, 2007, 03:11:02 PM »
Here's a very informative quote from the Georgia Bar Assoc's website:

C. Neglect of financial responsibilities:

The Fitness Board recognizes that law students sometimes have financial problems associated with the expense of law school, or with ongoing family obligations. The Board also recognizes that mishandling of client funds is a frequent and serious cause for professional discipline. Admission to the bar does not require a perfect credit record. The Board is interested in whether applicants have dealt honestly and responsibly with their creditors, and whether they are doing so at the time of application. Responsible dealings generally include but are not limited to keeping in contact with the creditor, making payment arrangements, and meeting the terms of those arrangements. If the applicant currently has an unsatisfactory credit record, especially unpaid collections, judgments, liens, or charged off accounts, the Board will typically table the application until the applicant has provided proof of six current consecutive months payments as agreed to show a good faith effort to clear the debts.

Defaulted student loans and failure to make child support payments are of particular concern to the Board. If an applicant has defaulted student loans, the Board will typically table the application until the applicant has made arrangements with the lender(s) for repayment of the loan(s) and has made six current months consecutive and uninterrupted monthly payments pursuant to the plan agreed to by the lender(s). Any arrearage in child support must be paid before an applicant will be certified by the Board.

The six-month payment arrangement should demonstrate a good faith attempt and a reasonable effort to clear the "charged off" accounts, collection accounts, defaults, liens and judgments entered against an applicant. Bankruptcy is a legal process that an applicant may choose to pursue if it is in the applicant's financial interest to do so. The Board will review carefully, however, whether the filing of the bankruptcy was done solely to avoid Board oversight or to avoid the six month policy. The Board will review carefully the applicant's assumption of financial responsibility, but the filing of the bankruptcy will not in and of itself lead automatically to a denial.

Current Law Students / Re: What exactly do law clerks do?
« on: February 27, 2007, 02:50:42 PM »
Give a listen to the podcast, "Judicial Clerks Panel":

What a poster above described as "gruntwork" can actually be very stimulating and satisfying work...

Current Law Students / Re: Have you taken the PATENT BAR?
« on: February 25, 2007, 03:58:12 PM »
(Me: Computer Science degree, starting law school in the fall)

I've started looking over the MPEP materials and I can't believe how dry and boring it is.  It's hard to believe someone could memorize all of those miniscule and arcane rules.  It's the kind of thing I'd program into a rule-based AI system.  (And maybe I will, in order to study for it.)

So my question:  Anybody know if patent work is as boring as the patent bar content?

Hi all,

Can anyone who's in a night / weekend part-time program give some feedback about what the experience is like?

I had been planning to go to a full time day program, because (1) I'd been looking forward to focussing only on school, and (2) looking forward to the connections with other students, building relationships with the faculty, etc.

But now, for some life reasons, I'm considering attending a law school's night / part-time program.  I'm hesitant because I imagine it being much more like a commuter college atmosphere - people come in for a class or two, and then take off.  They've got families or kids and a job, and that's where they're focussed.

Any feedback?

FWIW, I found the source of my "confusion".  I'm happy for any comments on this:

Student Body

"In law school you'll spend a great deal of your time interacting with your classmates. In a fundamental way, they will determine the level of intellectual challenge you face. Depending on the mix of ethnic, racial, socioeconomic, and other distinguishing features represented in the student body of any school, your personal experiences stand to be broadened considerably. Use the academic qualification grids in the Official Guide not just to gauge where you might get in, but also to determine at which schools you might expect to fall in the top percentile points in terms of measurable academic qualifications, and at which schools you will be stretched. Be honest with yourself - if you prefer to be at the top of the heap and want to be certain you'll make it into the law review, don't choose to attend a school that admits students who on average have higher academic credentials than yours.

"On the other hand, if you respond to intellectual challenge and want to be stretched, but do not care that much about being in the top ten percent of your class, then select your "right" schools accordingly.
(emphasis mine)

Get Into Law school: A Strategic Approach, Ruth Lammert-Reeves, Kaplan, p. 24.

It's not Denk's fault, he's just a 0L...

Thanks for cutting me some slack.  I won't hold you your prejudices against you, either.  :) The "kiddie" thing is great.  :D

There are actually a lot assumptions made on both sides of the fence, apparently:  I'm sure I'm older than you are.  After 11 years in IT, I'm going to take a pay cut by going into law.  I currently make six figures as an IT consultant, working no more than 45 hours per week.  I set my own hours and have very few annoying meetings with clients.

Law school is part of my path to academia.

Current Law Students / Re: Is law review really worth it?
« on: June 19, 2006, 04:17:55 AM »

If you can find Volokh's "Academic Legal Writing", he has an entire chapter as to why law review is worth pursuing.

This was a great pointer.  Thanks for the book reference.  It has a wonderful foreword by Judge Alex Kozinski.  The first part of the book is available here:

And yes, I'm well aware of the hard science requirement. My mechanical engineering degree should do the trick.

I found this article online at a placement firm.  (I'm interested in IP, too.  I have a BS in Comp Sci.)
(See section 3. "The Reasons Patent Attorneys Are Continually in Demand")


yeah, dent is asking if most law students do this kind of analysis...

Thanks, yes - and equally whether I'd be totally out of my league going to a school that I just barely scratch my way into.

Wild anecdotes.  Thanks! 

snotty and elitist attitude... ...conceited...

I attend a T2 school... expected transfer possiblities...

I think you've really misread what I've wrote.  And, you've projected a lot of your frustration and anger in the process.

1.  I don't think that I have some amazing LSAT.  I just took the June LSAT which, if you look at the discussion, has kicked everyone's butt.

2.  I think that each one of us has this dilemma, no matter what our actual LSAT score.  No matter where you're at -- 155, 165, 170, whatever... you'll have that choice to factor in: where do you fall in the 25/75 reported LSAT numbers? Did you choose a college where you're at the lower end, or the higher end?  Did it make a difference?  That was my question - is my dilemma a false one?  Does it make a difference?

3.  I hadn't even considered attending a school just for the purpose of transferring out.  You completely misread my message.

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