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A 2.9 GPA is not bad at all. You are already in the top 10% of people by simply being admitted to law school, and now you have out-performed half of that "elite" group. if you have the skill to do that, you likely have the skills needed to pass the Bar and do well as an attorney.

I knew people who freaked out during their first semester and nearly flunked out, but then out-shined the rest of us during their next 2.5 years, earning very respectable GPAs.

On a final note, if you are like me and don't care about "biglaw", you have no worries at all. A wise man once told me that as soon as you earn your JD and license, you are on an even playing field with the rest of the graduates, even if you were ranked bottom in your class. After that point, all you have to do is sell yourself to your future employer.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: misdemeanor question
« on: February 21, 2012, 06:18:09 PM »
I have not read the post that you referenced, but I 100% disagree with anyone who thinks that you should not disclose your history before admission. Law Schools only want people that will be ale to take and pass the Bar, and most Bar Associations will not allow you to test if you have committed certain crimes; namely those associated with fraud or theft. Whatever your misdemeanor was, I would disclose it and contact the school to talk or meet with someone in order to discuss the issue. Your honesty might make the difference when they are sitting around a table looking at potential candidates.

I witnessed several students who were kicked out for crimes they committed during law school, let alone crimes committed prior to admission. My point here is that being admitted does not shield you from your actions.

I realize my post sounds a little harsh, but there is still hope. Many of the misdemeanors out there won't hurt you too much. I knew law students who had convictions for DUI's, Illegal transportation of alcohol, and (minor) assaults... the Bar and your school know realize that people make mistakes That is exactly why I think you should talk to your school, they will know best whether your conviction will hurt you or not, and could save you a lot of trouble and worry.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: 0L anxious about being a 1L.. any advice?
« on: January 14, 2012, 11:02:30 AM »
Hello CVargas,

I know how you feel. Once I finally "Got it", I realized how little guidance i had actually received as a 1L and decided to do something about it.

For the last two months I have been working on a website ( and have added dozens of articles covering subjects such as "how to outline" and "how to brief cases". The site is FAR from complete, but most of what I have published thus far is applicable to 0L and 1Ls.

It is free, funded only by ad clicks. Enjoy.

I cannot answer all of your questions, but I can tell you that many first year lawyers start out in the salary range that you mentioned ($50,000). In Illinois, the average salary of a new lawyer is around $40,000. You can find slightly higher salaries if you are willing to move to a bigger city, or very large salaries if you end up in the top of your class and get hired by a big firm.

As for history and the law, I can't think of much except in the constitutional law area... perhaps research into the development and intent of the framers.

Current Law Students / Re: Critique requested.
« on: December 27, 2011, 07:26:19 PM »
We are definitely on the same page iracafella. I myself didn't pay the ransom for a Bar review course, but instead borrowed some 3 year old study materials and locked myself in the library at my law school. When I passed, I made a lot of my friends (some much smarter and much more diligent) very jealous for saving that much money.

I plan on writing an article covering this subject, but do not personally know the best sources to get these materials (mine were borrowed from a friend).

Are your talking about and ebay, or are there sources that I am not aware of?


Most of the Pro's and Con's have already been discussed, but I thought a little more elaboration on cost v. reward is in order.

All states will be a little different, but in Illinois, the average salary for a new lawyer is roughly $40,000. A few of the top students in my class got excellent paying jobs, but they hate their life right now... those jobs will keep you extremely busy and away from your family. I also know a few friends who are making only $30,000. In the bigger cities, some are making around $50,000-60,000.

Also, even if you find a more economical law school (as I would personally suggest), there are a lot of costs that they don't tell you about in addition to tuition and supplies. A lot of law students need to get $10,000-$15,000 just in Bar loans in order to financially survive the period of time that they will be studying for the bar after graduation.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Any metalheads on the boards?
« on: December 27, 2011, 02:42:32 PM »
I was fascinated by the types of people I encountered in Law School...  I found dozens of metal heads and a few ICP fans. It was shocking, but I do enjoy diversity in my friends.

Current Law Students / Re: Attempt a comeback?
« on: December 27, 2011, 02:36:04 PM »

Keep up your grades and don't sweat it too much. Then study hard for the Bar Exam.

You are already in the top 10% just by being accepted into law school, once you pass the Bar, you will be on a level playing field with the rest of the job applicants, except for the top 5-10% of the students, of course, but they will be applying to "different" firms.

Current Law Students / Re: ???
« on: December 27, 2011, 02:29:34 PM »
I can't speak for all states, but Illinois does have some fairly strict background requirements for being accepted into the bar. Often times, a law school will not accept you if they think that you won't be eligible for the Bar. You will have to disclose all of your prior arrests and convictions, as well as the little stuff like traffic tickets.

If we are talking about things such as fraud, violence, or theft, you will likely not be considered for Bar entrance. The reason for this is that lawyers are entrusted with peoples lives and often times, large amounts of money in the form of trusts or estate management. You can sometimes get in with things such as a DUI on your record, but I have heard that two DUI's is seen as big red flag.

Current Law Students / Critique requested.
« on: December 27, 2011, 12:15:38 PM »
Hello, I have just published my first website: It is an unfinished compilation of articles regarding all the tips and strategies that I used throughout law school and for the bar exam.

I am hoping to hear some constructive criticism on the subject matter, as to whether it would pertain to your school or state's bar exam. Obviously, I have only experience with one law school and one bar exam, but I think that the skills I am writing about are general enough to help anyone.

Thanks in advance.

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