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Law School Applications / Re: Transferring...what do I have to do?
« on: July 07, 2008, 09:07:02 PM »
I'm happy to take questions about 1L life, transferring, jobs or anything else...
where are you in? What was your class rank? How was the transfer process?  Is it like applying to ls all over again (minus the LSAT)? How does this affect your summer job (if at all)? Any advise for those who may at some point transfer?

1) GW

2) Not exactly sure because they only tell us whether we're 1-15% or 16-35%; based on numbers alone, I'm close to if not at the very top but I can't provide any degree of precision.

3) Transferring is more paperwork. I'm not applying to a lot of schools, but generally speaking each school has their own way. Some want everything through LSAC, others won't accept that way, etc...be prepared with everything so when you get your grades back you can work quickly and decisively.

4) Hang in there. As this post history hopefully conveys, I was very dejected and not expecting much at all. Don't let those feelings get you down...I almost did, and I would not have been nearly as successful if I didn't keep it all in perspective.

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2L job search / Re: 3.58 at GW, which firms?
« on: July 07, 2008, 08:28:31 PM »
I'm choosing which firms to bid on for upcoming on-campus interviews, so a little advice on what firm is a "reach" and what is a "safety" would be much appreciated.  Ranges of Vault rankings would probably be most helpful.  I'm planning on staying in DC.

We don't hear about journals for another couple weeks.  I'm betting my GPA puts me at about the top 20-25%, although I only know it's between 16-35% for sure.  Also, I switched from PT to FT, do you think that will affect anything?  Thanks!

Think again, bud. Rumor is it's tomorrow.


Official word on the "street" (aka the portal):

Attention all participants in the 2008 Journal Competition:

The students who have been selected for membership on one of the law journals at GW Law will be notified by telephone on Saturday, July 12, in the early evening.

Apologies for my misinformation. Today was the day notwithstanding what the portal says...if you made journal, you should have gotten the call by now.























(just kidding!)

GOOD LUCK!!!!

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Law School Applications / Re: Transferring...what do I have to do?
« on: July 07, 2008, 08:27:26 PM »
Bump. I (still) have no idea where I'll be next fall, but it won't be where I started. Though nothing is ever a certainty, my grades suggest that my transferring/job opportunities are unbounded although my dream is still to attend Penn for personal and professional reasons.

I'm not posting this to brag, but to remind those of you who have a dream that it can be done. Don't let what you perceive to be your failures ("bad" LSAT, disappointing GPA, etc.) limit you. Remember that hard work does pay off, and -- above all -- nothing is worth your good health. I'd also like to derail the notion that your LSAT score defines your capacity to succeed during 1L to whatever extent my own anecdotal evidence suffices in this regard.

I'm happy to take questions about 1L life, transferring, jobs or anything else...

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2L job search / Re: 3.58 at GW, which firms?
« on: July 04, 2008, 09:17:41 AM »
I'm choosing which firms to bid on for upcoming on-campus interviews, so a little advice on what firm is a "reach" and what is a "safety" would be much appreciated.  Ranges of Vault rankings would probably be most helpful.  I'm planning on staying in DC.

We don't hear about journals for another couple weeks.  I'm betting my GPA puts me at about the top 20-25%, although I only know it's between 16-35% for sure.  Also, I switched from PT to FT, do you think that will affect anything?  Thanks!

Think again, bud. Rumor is it's tomorrow.

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diaf.

I concur. Most employers doing GW OCI know the system, so they ask for top 15%, top third and top half - aka, the only things it's possible to figure out.  Btw, as far as I know the curve is still at 3.0, maybe a little more, but not over 3.1.  If some employer at an outside job fair asks for "top 25%" or something, just explain the system, and I'm pretty sure they won't care if you're top 35% instead of 25%.  If you are just trying to figure out whether you're at 4% vs. 6%, go away. 

Curve's actually a 3.25

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If you want to clerk, definitely transfer to G-town form St. John's.  The Fordham question is closer - I'd wait to see what my actual grades are.  I think it unlikely you will fall that far from first semester to second semester. 

I dunno man, second semester grades supposedly change a lot. I was top 1% after first semester, and I definitely feel very uncomfortable this time around...we can't really "wait it out" because GULC wants money on Monday.

(and, unbelievably, still no grades)


Congrats on GULC. Where else did you apply for transfer?

Ha, thanks. Penn. The only school I'll apply to, probably.

Assuming you remain in the top 5%, I would seriously recommend throwing an application at Columbia, NYU, and Harvard.

PS: smart move paying the deposit at GULC. You at least have it as a backup chip if your new grades reveal that you fell outside the top 10%

Nah, not interested.

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Maybe I'm clueless, but top 1% at GW seems superior to GULC unless you're at the top of the class there too (which of course isn't a given). What would motivate you to make that kind of move (or Penn for that matter)? Is it all about 10 years down the line?

All about family.

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Well, if you're top 1%, chances are you'll go down.  That's because there's no where else to go.  But the OP said he anticipated going from top 5% to top third.  That is a HUGE change that is just not likely.  Top 5% to 10%?  Maybe, but it is unlikely that you simply forgot how to take exams from Winter to Spring sufficient to lead to a drastic drop.

But everyone else probably got better at it, so what was "amazing" then is probably not quite as impressive now.

This is true. One of my friends was slightly below the curve last semester, and this semester has all A's so far (3 out of four grades in for our section). Can't believe you haven't gotten any yet. But another friend who did amazingly well last semester seems to have dropped a bit (don't know the details just that she isn't as happy as last semester). It's such a crapshoot though, because a lot of it really does seem arbitrary.

OP, I don't think it'd be hard to get NYC out of Georgetown, and in this economy, if you're paying full price at Fordham it seems like a safer bet.

OMG three grades?! I can't believe that...wow. And what you said scares me although I kind of knew it already. I'd be okay with median, I guess, because I think I can get into Penn w/ that but I really don't wanna drop that much. Yikes!

I totally didn't mean to scare you. If it makes you feel better, so far I'm doing exactly the same (maybe a tiny bit better) as I did last semester. So some people will def stay the same. But it seems like quite a few people I know did much better, which means someone has to drop at least a little.

But cumulative wise, even the friend I have who got all A's this semester isn't going to be able to be top 15 percent, because first semester factors in so strongly. So whatever you get this semester, you'll still be way up there. Top 1 percent man? That's incredible! I can't even imagine what that feels like! And I think you'll get into Penn. Do you find out immediately after you submit your full year grades?

Plus, G-town as a back-up option must make you feel a little more secure. 



Not too secure, because I really would feel weird about switching from GW to GULC. All I know re: Penn is I can't go complete until they get all of my grades...I have everything else in, and am hoping they'll let me know shortly after going complete (because, obviously, timing is of the essence).

Which grade are you missing? Maggs? I ask because I have an interest in Maggs getting his grades in lol.

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If you want to clerk, definitely transfer to G-town form St. John's.  The Fordham question is closer - I'd wait to see what my actual grades are.  I think it unlikely you will fall that far from first semester to second semester. 

I dunno man, second semester grades supposedly change a lot. I was top 1% after first semester, and I definitely feel very uncomfortable this time around...we can't really "wait it out" because GULC wants money on Monday.

(and, unbelievably, still no grades)


Congrats on GULC. Where else did you apply for transfer?

Ha, thanks. Penn. The only school I'll apply to, probably.

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Well, if you're top 1%, chances are you'll go down.  That's because there's no where else to go.  But the OP said he anticipated going from top 5% to top third.  That is a HUGE change that is just not likely.  Top 5% to 10%?  Maybe, but it is unlikely that you simply forgot how to take exams from Winter to Spring sufficient to lead to a drastic drop.

But everyone else probably got better at it, so what was "amazing" then is probably not quite as impressive now.

This is true. One of my friends was slightly below the curve last semester, and this semester has all A's so far (3 out of four grades in for our section). Can't believe you haven't gotten any yet. But another friend who did amazingly well last semester seems to have dropped a bit (don't know the details just that she isn't as happy as last semester). It's such a crapshoot though, because a lot of it really does seem arbitrary.

OP, I don't think it'd be hard to get NYC out of Georgetown, and in this economy, if you're paying full price at Fordham it seems like a safer bet.

OMG three grades?! I can't believe that...wow. And what you said scares me although I kind of knew it already. I'd be okay with median, I guess, because I think I can get into Penn w/ that but I really don't wanna drop that much. Yikes!

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