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General Board / Re: Lots of questions from prospective law student.
« on: November 26, 2011, 09:53:01 AM »
Hey,
I majored in Journalism as well. I worked for the Graduate School office at a state university for a while. One definite thing I can tell you, is that universities are a 2 way street (you want to get in, as much as they want you in). They make money off of you being there, and university employees want that state and federal funding, so they have to meet those quotas every year of how many tuition monkeys they will let in.

Overall, I would say dont worry about it. If your GPA is over 3.00, you will have a chance at law school. The cold truth is, your chances at a top law school are so slim, you should forget about that. But whatever. If you want to go to a basic state law school, then you still have a chance.  You should study the law, and follow court cases, and see if you like it. If you don't find law interesting before any prospective career is involved, then find something else.

I recommend relaxing about it. Besides, the law school you attend is not the only factor determining your success. Since my start on the "law path", I have met so many people who went to good schools, but were just good at the academic side of it, and didn't make it to the "Top Tier" of the career world. In fact, I know a Harvard Law graduate that works at Washington State University in just some basic administrative job in a equal employment and education office at the school. That's all he wants, but it still is ironic to me.

You can do many things in this life my friend. I suggest going to law school if the law truly interests you. You can still make it to any city you want to go to. As long as you go to a decent law school, you can practice anywhere. If you graduate from University of Idaho or something, you are probably limited to the northwest, but even that isn't bad. I have a friend that went to law school in montana, and thats where he wants to be. There are good teachers everywhere, and most schools use the same teaching materials...

I hope this post lightened your view of things. And truly, from a Grad school former employee, I can tell you that students do not think enough about how much schools want THEM  $ $ $ $ :)

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General Board / Re: Best Way to Learn Civ Pro?
« on: November 24, 2011, 07:57:44 PM »
I best advice I can give you is diversify

Nothing has helped me more, than trying new things, going to lectures one day, listening to audio recorded courses another day, reading law articles the next, doing research the next, watching famous lawyers in interviews the next, going to new websites the next.

Sometimes it's even good to go back to something u already know well, and trying to learn about it in a new way. Sometimes u notice something u missed

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General Board / Re: 1L Prep Question
« on: November 24, 2011, 04:54:45 PM »
Go hard on the LSAT, i agree with that. Take your time with it also, I meet a lot of people who don't wanna wait that "extra year" to be able to adequately and truly prepare for it. You should always remember though, that what makes an attorney what she/he is, is what kind of person they are and what they do with the power they get. Legal Fraud and malpractice is in every state dude, sometimes lawyers who graduated from top 20 law schools, end up getting sued for conspiracy and/or fraud. I know a lawyer who is a defendant in a lawsuit right now for that. His name is Roger Sandberg, in Pullman, WA. I know because I am the Plaintiff in WA's U.S. district court :)

I looked up to him so much when I first met him, but he defrauded me. Now I can sue him, and it really changed the way I look at law school. He went to University of Washington (good law school), yet he used that mighty power... to be... a scumbag basically.

So prepare for lawschool with well established courses like you mentioned. I would also note that Audio Lectures of Bar Exam Prep classes (which goes over all of law school), or 1L law classes, are available to purchase from many notable and well established companies. These are great for any activity where you can't read, but can listen, such as traveling or when you play STARCRAFT!!!

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General Board / Re: Case study in court corruption
« on: November 24, 2011, 01:49:44 AM »
This is the weirdest conversation I have read, I just started reading all the posts and this conversation is weird lol.

Anyways, there are a couple things I can tell you, original poster guy:

1. Corruption is pretty standard to an extent, but those who are corrupt in courts are usually taking risks. If you work hard to talk to the right people for legal info and advice, you may be able to catch an untenable decision of the judge, or a adverse lawyer who violated the Rules of Professional Conduct.

2. The law is a dirty game, look up "Bad Man" theory in Black's Law Dictionary. Also read John Grisham books, that really helped me realize that I was not the only one noticing corruption - it's as old as courts themselves.

3. Courts tend to take advantage, and/or screw over, Pro Se people. You will notice that as a recurring theme in all jurisdictions in this country.

Overall, for better or worse, you seem very alarmed that a judge is screwing a Pro Se person over in a case, but that is more common than you might think. But I assure you, he who breaks a rule, takes a risk. Even just one obviously unfair decision of a judge, creates an appeal that creates court records showing what went on, then lawyers do research and find out, and law students read records and research and find out - and that is kind of justice in itself. The same goes for State Bar proceedings against attorneys; if you can catch the other guy or gal breaking a specific Rule of Professional Conduct for State Bar Attorneys, then report them and Cite the rule specifically. Issue - Rule - Argument - Conclusion - IRAC !!

- iracafella :)

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General Board / Re: What is your "Spirit" of the Law
« on: November 23, 2011, 01:41:03 PM »
Well, justanothersucker,
I think you are right to point out the innefficiencies and moral problems with our court's handling of tort cases, but keep in mind that the overall effect of how our justice system works is very good. Good example is: most houses in the U.S. do not have alarm systems protecting the house, and most of those very houses have windows. Windows are nothing but a sheet of glass, which could easily be broken by a small child or a weak elderly person. Just that sheet of glass protects the lives and possessions of all inside the house - yet breaking and entering (and anything following that) do not happen most of the time.

Also, think of how common a conspiracy is, in a tort that is (and anything that is constructive). That right there proves that civil wrongdoers are thinking hard of ways, and working hard,  to avoid the punishments of damages. And they still often end up getting sued.

I totally agree with you that morality and court decisions do not connect - I personally have great issue with all the corruption in the courts, and how overly severe criminal law is - but in times when I think about such things, I then think of how it could be better. It is hard to think of anything that would make it better, because hundreds of thousands of people have thought that same thing for hundreds of years and have stepped out into courts, congress, or even the streets, etc., to make changes occur. Sure witnesses will lie, but can they brave the perils of cross examination? sure  dirty lawyers commit fraud, but can they run from the good lawyers sueing them? Sure judges get bribed, but their legacy will last for centuries, and if they got caught, they will always be known as a rat. Sure lawyers help witnesses perjure testimony of an employer to help their case, but the opposite lawyer may have been smart enough to have his client sneak a recording device into his  pocket when the client went back to the employer for dispute resolution. It's all the little things that make law both a dirty game, and a cool system that people fight for. It reminds me of that section of John Grishams Rainmaker when they spoke on the phone about what jurors they would tamper with, knowing that they secretly would not tamper with any, and it was actually a method of getting the undesirable jurors off the bench.

I agree with your thoughts about morality, but seriously, tell me what you think would make it better, I bet I could have a good counter argument of why it is better the way it is

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General Board / What is your "Spirit" of the Law
« on: November 23, 2011, 02:21:20 AM »
In a general sense of U.S. Law, and your own state's law, what truly motivates you to do what you do? Your time and energy go to upholding the law, court decisions, legislators, and administrative decisions. What motivates you most to do this.
 8)
For me it is to help the wronged, while disciplining the tortfeasors (I like toooorts).

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