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Where should I go next fall? / Re: W&L vs WUSTL
« on: February 22, 2008, 08:27:56 AM »
WUSTL.

Better school offering a better scholly. Also, it will provide better placement options.

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As a (semi)Southerner, I thought I would take a stab at this:

1. Texas
2. Vandy
3. W&L
4. William and Mary
5. Emory
6. Tulane
7. Georgia
8. Alabama
9. Florida

...I don't know about the rest

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: When is it okay to turn down a T14?
« on: February 12, 2008, 04:52:05 PM »
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I would take the full ride. Yes, Cornell places MUCH better in Vault 100. Part of this has to do with the location of so many V100 firms in NY. It is important to consider a few things. Working is BigLaw is tedious and soul-sapping for many associates. Like many associates, you might HATE it once you begin. In fact, one of the biggest programs for BigLaw is associate attrition. If you have lots of debt, you might not have the option of quitting or persuing the area of law you love.

Ever heard of a little circle of hell called insurance defense?

Nobody is arguing biglaw is fun and the sun, but if you don't like it you can put in your 2-3 years hard time and escape to greener pastures.
Can't get biglaw and end up in insurance defense? 5 years later, you are still in heavy debt with nowhere else to run to. And did I mention billables are often the same?

I think you are missing the point. If the OP would have little to no debt at the T25, he/she would not have to take a job they didn't like in order to meet debt obligations.

And while I respect Cornell, it is not exactly a T10. The bottom 50% have much better options at Cornell than the bottom 50% at T25, but both pools of people not have great options. Having no debt makes life a lot easier.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Texas v GWU
« on: February 12, 2008, 02:27:14 PM »
I'm weighing my options between these two schools and would love to hear some other opinions. I want to do government work in DC after I graduate so GW seems like the obvious choice. But if it would be possible for me to break into the market from Texas, I wouldn't mind saving the money. What do you guys think?


Also let's throw Vandy into the mix because I'm considering them as well.

Have any of the schools offered you money?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: When is it okay to turn down a T14?
« on: February 12, 2008, 02:19:43 PM »
If you are certain you are interested in public sector work, take the money.

And if I'm not certain?

My 2 cents:

I would take the full ride. Yes, Cornell places MUCH better in Vault 100. Part of this has to do with the location of so many V100 firms in NY. It is important to consider a few things. Working is BigLaw is tedious and soul-sapping for many associates. Like many associates, you might HATE it once you begin. In fact, one of the biggest programs for BigLaw is associate attrition. If you have lots of debt, you might not have the option of quitting or persuing the area of law you love.

On the other hand, doing well at a T25 school will give you the same options as someone just doing OK at Cornell. More importantly, finishing without debt will be incredibly liberating and allow to live your life without the baggage of debt and burden.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: When is it okay to turn down a T14?
« on: February 12, 2008, 02:11:40 PM »
Based on your LSN, I say its a no brainer.

If the choice was UT/UCLA full ride v. Cornell, then yes take the $$$

But your choice is WUSTL v. Cornell
WUSTL places much worse than its ranking would suggest.


Only caveat: If you are dead set on public interest, as in there is 0% chance you would consider biglaw, go to WUSTL.

Put it this way: If you go to cornell, that 160k job is there if you want it (as long as you are not at the very bottom). Yeah, you will be in debt, but 2-3 years of working hard and living frugally and you are free of it.

If you go to WUSTL, you are still taking on 40k in debt. You will need to be top 20% to have a solid shot at that 160k job. Sure, if you do it, you win the lottery. But if you don't, it may be 3-4 years until you are out from under debt working at the 60k jobs that await people who do not get biglaw- and then you are still making penuts compared to the cornell people. 

Bottom line, you are just rolling the dice by taking the money in this situation.

Food for thought:
 Vault 100 Placement
Percentage of class and raw numbers of class placed reported Vault 100 firms.

4 Columbia 80.2%
3 Harvard 74.1%
6 Chicago 71.4%
1 Yale 68.8%
2 Stanford 65.9%
4 NYU 61.2%
11 Duke 55.8%
12 Northwestern 53.1%
7 Penn 49.4%
13 Cornell 43.0%
8 Virginia 41.4%
8 Michigan 41.3%
14 Georgetown 34.4%
16 Texas 28.7%
8 Boalt 27.7%
15 UCLA 19.9%
27 Illinois 19.1%
17 Vanderbilt 19.0%
17 USC 18.4%
22 Notre Dame 18.3%
32 Fordham 15.3%
18 GWU 12.5%
70 Houston 11.9%
TTT Howard 11.9%
22 Boston U 11.6%
27 Boston College 11.3%
39 Wake Forest 11.0%
34 BYU 10.5%
26 Emory 8.9%
27 Washington 8.9%
19 WUSTL 8.6%

Going by thse numbers, Houston is a better choice than BC and Illinois is a better choice than Vandy. None of the numbers are really that impressive until you get to Boalt and higher.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Emory v UNC in overall prestige?
« on: February 10, 2008, 09:13:37 PM »
legal is right on target.

When it comes down to it all of those 20-30 schools are going to be roughly the same.

If for some reason you want to practice in Atlanta and the cost ends up being about the same, or maybe you just like Emory better for some reason, then Emory it is. However, choosing Emory over UNC because Emory is ranked 22 and UNC is ranked in the 30s somewhere isn't prudent.

There is more to the law school experience than US News Rankings.


Rankings aren't everything, but they actually do matter a lot. The difference in ranking between Emory at number 22 and UNC at number 36 is not insignificant.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Rutgers Newark or Rutgers Camden?
« on: February 08, 2008, 12:48:31 PM »
Rutgers neither-get out of new jersey.



TITCR

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UC Davis or Hastings-Pros and Cons
« on: February 08, 2008, 12:47:18 PM »
If it matters at all to you, Hastings has a reputation for cut-throat students.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: WUSTL Full Ride vs. Vanderbilt
« on: February 08, 2008, 12:46:04 PM »
Thanks...but even w/ 50 or 75% tuition, it'll be tough to turn down full ride. But I'll keep my fingers crossed! I loved Nashville and Vandy when I was there, but a full ride is so tempting.

I agree. WUSTL with 1/3 or 50% tuition is better than Vandy. It's not like we are talking about a T14 or T10.   

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