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I read somewhere that no school that was provisionally accredited didn't gain full accreditation at some point.

Doesn't mean they kept it though.

Black Law Students / Re: 1L's & Current Black Law Students
« on: February 16, 2009, 12:22:06 AM »
f-in' appellate brief is costing me my beauty sleep.   >:( >:( >:(

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Good legal writing manual
« on: February 12, 2009, 08:30:27 PM »
Hi all, what manual(s) would you recommend for a 0L to read to begin learning legal writing skills before the fall semester? Thanks in advance
Don't waste your time.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: how do grades work in law school
« on: February 10, 2009, 03:16:04 PM »
Let's not be rude to the n00b.

OP: a grading curve works like this.  In any given class, the professor will be able to give out a strict number of As, Bs, and Cs.  At my school, about 15% earn As, 70% earn Bs, and a few earn Cs.

Alabama wants you to keep a 3.0, which means that you will need at least a B average.  However, law school curves are often much (much) lower than undergraduate curves.  The professor could be required to keep the median grade at a B-, in which case it would be hard to keep your scholarship.  You should inquire.  Furthermore, I don't think that you should matriculate at a lower-ranked law school like Bama unless you want to be a lawyer.  You could end up unemployed after graduation.

Wally...two words.

'Bama is golden in the southeast. If he wants to stay in Alabama, he's set for life. He can also pretty easily get Atlanta, Nashville, and Charlotte if he likes. Not everyone wants to work in NYC, DC, or the Chi. Look at the schools he applied to, they're all in the southeast.

Sheesh. Friggin' Yankee elitists.

Current Law Students / Re: The networking questions thread
« on: February 07, 2009, 09:42:32 AM »
Uh, I definitely wouldn't stop by someone's office EVERY MONTH.  That sounds more like stalking than networking.  Honestly, I think even calling every month is pushing it, unless you truly have something really good to talk about (doubtful).  Keep in mind these people have lives.

I didn't mean to pop up unannounced. Call, see if they're busy, and if it's ok if stop in and shoot the *&^%. The whole point is to develop a relationship - to get to the point where you're a colleague, not some dumb 1L begging for a job. Get the guerrilla tactics book Matthies talks about, and also get a book called "Never Eat Alone". ''
Eventually you'll get to the level where they'll TELL you to stop by, they'll offer to take you to lunch, etc. And have something else to talk about besides the law all the time. Sports is always a winner.

Current Law Students / Re: The networking questions thread
« on: February 06, 2009, 07:39:29 PM »
If you are at a T14, the top 1/3 at a T25, or the top 10% at any T1, you can ignore networking.  Otherwise, Wally is completely wrong (and that would probably include the majority of law students).

I don't fit into any of the categories I listed above.  I have a job for this summer.  'Nuff said.

Yep. Same here, and I have two offers for the summer. Attorneys LOVE talking to law students. I mean LOVE. But you have to get out there. Join the local ABA, the section(s) you're interested in , or any practice area specialty organizations and GO TO THE MEETINGS. Trust me, you'll be the only law student there. Have a pitch prepared, go up to someone, and start talking. Feed their ego's a bit - tell them you're a law student and want advice. Check out the bios of someone you might be interested in. If you have some basic facts about them (where the went to school, recent case they worked on, etc.) They'll be really impressed. It also helps if you have some business cards to exchange, it raises eyebrows and makes you look professional. Follow up a couple of days later. Offer to take them to lunch, or to meet with them at their office. DON'T ASK FOR A JOB. DON'T EVEN BRING A RESUME. At this point, you just want to develop a relationship. Thank them for their time, send a follow up email. If you find an interesting article related to their practice area, send it to them. Call or drop by their office about once a month. Again, you want to develop a relationship, it takes time.

Current Law Students / Re: CPA after Law School
« on: February 05, 2009, 06:44:15 PM »
Some of the advice on here is crap, so don't listen to it. 

My wife only got a Master's in accounting and she is eligible to sit for the CPA; in fact, she is preparing for it right now.  There's also a strong demand for attorneys who have accounting backgrounds.  She works for one of the Big Four accounting firms, and she has often told me that the attorneys there don't advance as quickly because they don't understand rudimentary accounting issues.  At the same time, attorneys have many skills that the average accountant doesn't have, so if you combine the two, I think you'll definitely have the potential to be in high demand; and after working a few years, you'll have a lot of opportunities for advancement.

i'm not talking out my ass, i'm a cpa (well, i was - i let my license lapse) and i worked at big 4 firm for over 4 years. in most states, a master's in accountancy is needed to sit for the exam because most undergrad programs are only for 120-130 hours. the requirement in most places now is 150 hours, so to be able to sit for the exam you have to take a year of courses in accounting, a master's in accountancy. it's not an mba; nearly all of the classes are accounting classes. also, in most states, to actually get the cpa license, you have to spend 2 years in public accounting, or 5 years working under a cpa. so op could take the req. courses, take and pass the exam, but still not be considered a licensed cpa. i went to law school to get off that train, so i'm a bit biased when i hear people wanting to be a cpa. i don't encourage anyone to study accounting personally. but the jd/cpa skill set isn't really the same imo. it's more letters after your name, like i said it would be good for tax law or estate planning. but like someone said, i wouldn't get the jd first and then get the cpa because the cpa would be more time intensive if you didn't already have the acctg requirements. YMMV.

Current Law Students / Re: CPA after Law School
« on: February 04, 2009, 08:23:09 PM »
Better job opportunties.

You think so? Anywho, a master's in accountancy won't give you enough hours to sit for the cpa exam. i think you said you didn't major in acctg in undergrad, so you'd have to get an mba with a concentration in acctg in order to be able to sit for the exam. personally, i would rather be mauled by 3 starving pit bulls than take an accouting class, but to each their own. not sure how many more opportunities would open from having the cpa to be honest. i guess if you want to do tax law, but as a lawyer you would be doing more tax planning. you wouldn't need a cpa to do that, and i doubt if it would get you that much more money to warrant the investment. but again, to each their own.

Before you go get drunk, and not to threadjack or be bossy, but can you answer my PM?

And for the record, law IS a business.

Well, for the record nice grades there buddy, I'm impressed! I'll type up a list of books tomtrow

Thanks and thanks! :D

Before you go get drunk, and not to threadjack or be bossy, but can you answer my PM?

And for the record, law IS a business.

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