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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 26, 2009, 09:41:52 PM »
Silly Q but--did you bring your own lunch?  Are there places to eat way out on 12th ave?  I've never been to the Javits.

Also can we bring soda/water in, or only what's in thet little baggie Barbri gave us?


I think that's one of the most slept on aspects of the entire bar taking process - LUNCH!

Especially around Javits. There is NOTHING around there!!!!!!!!!!  Seriously there are like 2 or 3 little deli places and believe you me, all 8 or 9 thousand people will be there standing in line for the entire hour (or whatever it is) you get for lunch.

I parked my car overnight across the street in a paid parking lot for like $20 bucks, packed my lunch in a cooler and put it in the trunk of my car.  As soon as the lunch break came I walked straight to my car and spent at most 10 minutes eating and then spent the rest of the hour refreshing my memory on the two essay subjects that I knew were coming because they were not tested in the morning (family law and corporations).  Sure enough, those two subjects were the two essays in the afternoon, so I probably earned a few more points on those essays. Hey, every point counts right?

Damn, Sands! That was remarkably crafty. Did someone advise you to do that, or did you come up with that your own? I never would have thought of that, but best believe that's how I will play it when my turn comes up.

you wnat to be a lawyer, don't use wiki, if you cited to wiki in your brief or to a judge they would through you in jail for stupidy, get out of the wiki habbit. bad, wiki, bad.

For your records,

That is a sad commentary on our socity, and for the love of god pin cite please I'm not reading that whole case to find wiki nuggets

i read the opinion. it's actually pretty interesting, albeit i have somewhat of a vested interest since i live in the 11th circuit.

OK got a story.

So I'm filing a motion in NY state court and I give my secretary the transmittal letter, the motion, attachments, and ask her to do a check request for the filing fee from accounting made payable to "New York County Clerk".  We also sent a copy of the motion to the judge, so I highlighted the name of the judge and his address on another piece of paper for that purpose.

About an hour or so later I get a call from the partner, he's like "uh, Sands, you got a minute? Stop by my office."  So I do. I go in and he asks me "so did you just make a check request?"  I say "yeah sure for the motion we just sent out."  He hands me the check request form that my secretary filled out...

Why was the check made out directly to the Judge?


Fortunately we caught it before it went out the door, but had it gong out the door I basically would have been looking for a new career.


I can post about the goings on criminal courts in a large southeastern city. I got stories for days.

Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: July 05, 2009, 12:02:06 PM »
apparently they never heard ny times v. sullivan.

we know palin hasn't.

Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: July 05, 2009, 11:47:58 AM »
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early for a 2012 run.  Hell, it's even too early for a 2010 mid-term run.  That makes no sense.  Why resign?  None of the candidates of the 2008 election resigned their positions as they were running for office. And if that is her real reason for resigning from office now this will come back to bite her big time.

I'm with you guys, something fishy is going on here.  We'll soon find out.

Meh. She's just being mavericky. You know, since she's a maverick and all.

This board has died. I remember when it would go 10-12 pages a day.

Yes, those were the good ol' days.  Two years ago, news of Michael Jackson's death would've taken a good 20 pages.

Word. A lot of the old heads left, and there hasn't been enough new blood to replace them.

And apparently some of the old heads who are still around are poisonous. 


Hey P!

You know, I came here first to find out if it was true (I had been in court all day and a homeless guy told me on my way back to the office so I was obviously a bit skeptical) and there was nary a peep.

Word. A lot of the old heads left, and there hasn't been enough new blood to replace them.


Yea Expert Learning is great in my opinion. Who knew all A students weren't born a genious lol. As far as preping for the summer, I am obviously an 0L and dont have much authority to make statements like this, but when I first started everyone told me there is nothing you can do to prep for school in the summer. But now after going half way through this program, I will have to say I have to disagree. I am only half way done and I am already learning how to brief cases; spot issues; synthesize cases; learning how to utilize lexis and westlaw; writing legal memos; taking hypo exams and evaluating the answers and etc. I just dont know how that can not be considered a MAJOR advantage over some one who did not have some idea of these things on day one. But who knwos maybe this looking back this will be one of my dumb thing I said as an 0L

Classic.  Famous last words, young grasshopper.

When people say that you can't prepare for Law School as a 0L, they mean that you can't do anything during the summer that will give you an advantage over your classmates during the summer.

By the time you get to exams in December, EVERYBODY will know how to brief a case, outline, use lexis/westlaw, spot issues and all that stuff. But everybody won't get an A on the exam because it is one thing to take an exam when you are only being graded objectively, it is completely different when your essay grade depends on how 200+ other eually intelligent students wrote at the same time on the same issues.

I bet a Law School would be a lot different for smart people if there were no curve.

You beat me to it.

I will see this statement, and raise you the most important reason why studying during the summer does no good for 1L exams:

because you haven't met your professor yet.

You can spend the entire summer studying and memorizing that the tort of negligence is (i) duty, (ii) breach, (iii) causation, and (iv) damages and if your professor tells you during 1L that it is (i) bacon, (ii) lettuce, (iii) tomato, and (iv) sandwich, you better be BLT'in it on the final if you want an A.  Not only do you have to cater to your professor's substantive interpretation of the law, but, more importantly, you have to defer to his or her writing format preference.  Some professors want IRAC, some professors want RAC, and some professors want none of the above.  I had a crim professor, (no BS) who gave you X amount of lines for each answer, and your answer had to fit it within those 9 or 10 lines provided on the page because if you went over you were penalized!!!  I wish I was kidding.

So all of that to say, it's great that you're getting exposure to the general process of law school, but

(A) everybody starts from scratch on day 1, and

(B) the only grade that matters is the final

Co-muthafuckin sign!!!  You're not taking K's or Torts, you're taking Ks or Torts according to Professor XYZ.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Alternative Civ Pro Supplements?
« on: May 09, 2009, 09:45:11 PM »
I highly HIGHLY recommend Acing Civil Procedures by Spencer. There's an invaluable checklist and the hypos are spot on. The only thing it doesn't cover is class actions, but other than that, it's gold. Helped me get through civ pro, and I never even cracked E&E or emmanuels. It's short too, and cheap. Small paperback at about 23 bucks. Check it out:

Spot on. Spencer's book is the truth.

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