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you wnat to be a lawyer, don't use wiki, if you cited to wiki in your brief or to a judge they would through you in jail for stupidy, get out of the wiki habbit. bad, wiki, bad.

For your records,

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200216886.pdf
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A07E0DF143FF93AA15752C0A9619C8B63



That is a sad commentary on our socity, and for the love of god pin cite please I'm not reading that whole case to find wiki nuggets

i read the opinion. it's actually pretty interesting, albeit i have somewhat of a vested interest since i live in the 11th circuit.

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Black Law Students / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: July 23, 2009, 11:45:03 AM »
OK got a story.

So I'm filing a motion in NY state court and I give my secretary the transmittal letter, the motion, attachments, and ask her to do a check request for the filing fee from accounting made payable to "New York County Clerk".  We also sent a copy of the motion to the judge, so I highlighted the name of the judge and his address on another piece of paper for that purpose.

About an hour or so later I get a call from the partner, he's like "uh, Sands, you got a minute? Stop by my office."  So I do. I go in and he asks me "so did you just make a check request?"  I say "yeah sure for the motion we just sent out."  He hands me the check request form that my secretary filled out...

Why was the check made out directly to the Judge?

 :o

Fortunately we caught it before it went out the door, but had it gong out the door I basically would have been looking for a new career.

 :o

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Black Law Students / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: July 16, 2009, 08:19:27 AM »
I can post about the goings on criminal courts in a large southeastern city. I got stories for days.

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Black Law Students / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: June 29, 2009, 02:18:33 PM »
This board has died. I remember when it would go 10-12 pages a day.

Yes, those were the good ol' days.  Two years ago, news of Michael Jackson's death would've taken a good 20 pages.

Word. A lot of the old heads left, and there hasn't been enough new blood to replace them.

And apparently some of the old heads who are still around are poisonous. 

 :-\

Hey P!

You know, I came here first to find out if it was true (I had been in court all day and a homeless guy told me on my way back to the office so I was obviously a bit skeptical) and there was nary a peep.

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Black Law Students / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: June 27, 2009, 07:08:18 PM »
Word. A lot of the old heads left, and there hasn't been enough new blood to replace them.

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Black Law Students / Re: Dumb things that we said as 0L's
« on: June 24, 2009, 10:00:51 PM »

Yea Expert Learning is great in my opinion. Who knew all A students weren't born a genious lol. As far as preping for the summer, I am obviously an 0L and dont have much authority to make statements like this, but when I first started everyone told me there is nothing you can do to prep for school in the summer. But now after going half way through this program, I will have to say I have to disagree. I am only half way done and I am already learning how to brief cases; spot issues; synthesize cases; learning how to utilize lexis and westlaw; writing legal memos; taking hypo exams and evaluating the answers and etc. I just dont know how that can not be considered a MAJOR advantage over some one who did not have some idea of these things on day one. But who knwos maybe this looking back this will be one of my dumb thing I said as an 0L



Classic.  Famous last words, young grasshopper.


When people say that you can't prepare for Law School as a 0L, they mean that you can't do anything during the summer that will give you an advantage over your classmates during the summer.

By the time you get to exams in December, EVERYBODY will know how to brief a case, outline, use lexis/westlaw, spot issues and all that stuff. But everybody won't get an A on the exam because it is one thing to take an exam when you are only being graded objectively, it is completely different when your essay grade depends on how 200+ other eually intelligent students wrote at the same time on the same issues.

I bet a Law School would be a lot different for smart people if there were no curve.



You beat me to it.

I will see this statement, and raise you the most important reason why studying during the summer does no good for 1L exams:

because you haven't met your professor yet.


You can spend the entire summer studying and memorizing that the tort of negligence is (i) duty, (ii) breach, (iii) causation, and (iv) damages and if your professor tells you during 1L that it is (i) bacon, (ii) lettuce, (iii) tomato, and (iv) sandwich, you better be BLT'in it on the final if you want an A.  Not only do you have to cater to your professor's substantive interpretation of the law, but, more importantly, you have to defer to his or her writing format preference.  Some professors want IRAC, some professors want RAC, and some professors want none of the above.  I had a crim professor, (no BS) who gave you X amount of lines for each answer, and your answer had to fit it within those 9 or 10 lines provided on the page because if you went over you were penalized!!!  I wish I was kidding.

So all of that to say, it's great that you're getting exposure to the general process of law school, but

(A) everybody starts from scratch on day 1, and

(B) the only grade that matters is the final


Co-muthafuckin sign!!!  You're not taking K's or Torts, you're taking Ks or Torts according to Professor XYZ.

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Current Law Students / Re: Alternative Civ Pro Supplements?
« on: May 09, 2009, 07:45:11 PM »
I highly HIGHLY recommend Acing Civil Procedures by Spencer. There's an invaluable checklist and the hypos are spot on. The only thing it doesn't cover is class actions, but other than that, it's gold. Helped me get through civ pro, and I never even cracked E&E or emmanuels. It's short too, and cheap. Small paperback at about 23 bucks. Check it out:
http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/146930/40424798/productdetail.aspx

Spot on. Spencer's book is the truth.

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Black Law Students / Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
« on: May 08, 2009, 04:45:51 PM »
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

Nah. . ..I'd hold off until the summer. A lot of them are still celebrating their undergrad graduation

darn, that's my fav time in the cycle!

is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

"scare the 1Ls" ??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc

lol.  u shall see, grasshopper

Yep...I remember coming in here at 3am one night complaining about my memo. Ahh, good times!

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Don't do it. Ole Miss will forever be the only relevant law school in Mississippi, and you'll be made painfully aware of that fact time and again.


Have you ever even been to Mississippi, or at the very least spent any significant time in the legal community there?

If not, and I have a sneaking suspicion that you won't be asking in the affirmative to at least one of the questions posed above,then.......

Kindly shut the @#!* up.

And even if you can answer in the affirmative to both question, I'm sure the OP would like for you to shut.the.@#!*.up.

kthanksbi

Are you black? 

Unashamedly.....why does that matter?

I was trying to figure out if your attack on Ninja has anything to do with your being black, as he has made some comments about blacks being "entitled" and more. 

No, my attack on Ninja was based on him exhibiting a prima facie case of douchebaggery.

Someone put on his big boy lawyer pants today, maybe even all by himself. Prima Facie!

I was thinking the samething.  Was he trying to compensate for something he lacks with these words in his sentences? 

That's pretty much what I was getting out of it.

I meant to say "answer" in the affirmative. I was writing in a rush. I apologize for having a large vocabulary.

Happens to the best of us. ;)

We all have large vocabularies (at least, hopefully). We don't all feel it necessary to work "prima facie" and "[answer] in the affirmative" into our posts. There's a time and a place for everything.

I was being facetious snarky on both occasions. ;D You're pretty straight forward on here Ninja, so you shouldn't mind when I do the same. ;) Plus I was stressed from finals. But the point I was making with the OP is that a JD from Miss College, while it won't get him a job at Skadden, will allow him to practice law provided he pass the par. If he wants to be a lawyer and doesn't mind the debt, go to Miss College and become a lawyer. Your school will only get you to a certain point.

All this is based on the assumption that it's an ABA accredited school, or at least provisionally accredited.

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Don't do it. Ole Miss will forever be the only relevant law school in Mississippi, and you'll be made painfully aware of that fact time and again.


Have you ever even been to Mississippi, or at the very least spent any significant time in the legal community there?

If not, and I have a sneaking suspicion that you won't be asking in the affirmative to at least one of the questions posed above,then.......

Kindly shut the @#!* up.

And even if you can answer in the affirmative to both question, I'm sure the OP would like for you to shut.the.@#!*.up.

kthanksbi

Are you black? 

Unashamedly.....why does that matter?

I was trying to figure out if your attack on Ninja has anything to do with your being black, as he has made some comments about blacks being "entitled" and more. 

No, my attack on Ninja was based on him exhibiting a prima facie case of douchebaggery.

Someone put on his big boy lawyer pants today, maybe even all by himself. Prima Facie!

I was thinking the samething.  Was he trying to compensate for something he lacks with these words in his sentences? 

That's pretty much what I was getting out of it.

I meant to say "answer" in the affirmative. I was writing in a rush. I apologize for having a large vocabulary.

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