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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Columbia vs. UCLA
« on: April 03, 2006, 09:23:10 PM »
If you go to Columbia you should not be going in expecting that people will not be competitive.  You will certainly be shocked.  Competition at Columbia is undoubtedly different from what it has been in the past, assuming the past "horror" stories are true, but it still exists and is definitely widespread.  It isn't competition in the sense that people tear pages out of books in the library, but people work hard and a sizable minority guns for the top of the class. 

At admitted student day, a day that is-and was for the most part-supposed to be relaxed when they roll out the red carpet for prospective students, there were several people taking hardcore notes at the panels and discussions and people definitely asked hardcore questions, like how to best make law review, how to best work for a V5, how to get a prestigious federal clerkship, etc.  A lot of the prospectives I met were very nice overall, but definitely competitive, super type-A people who most likely won't all of a sudden relax upon starting school at Columbia.  Conversations with multiple current students confirmed this: there is a definite competitive atmosphere at CLS in that most people work very hard with intentions (at least 1L year) of being at the top of the class.  This is not to say that people aren't friendly with each other or don't go out to parties, etc, but you simply can't go to Columbia with the mentality that your peers are looking to coast through law school, because they aren't. 

It's funny how a lot of people on this board try to convince themselves that competition doesn't exist at the top schools.  Sure, people might not be at each others' necks all the time, but it's pretty obvious to me that law school regardless of where you go will be a BIG step-up in competition and intensity from the vast majority of undergraduate programs.  I think this is especially true in the case of a native Californian who considers herself "chill" and moves to NYC to start at Columbia with the notion that it won't be competitive. 

I don't think that people are tyring to make it seems like CLS and peer schools have students that coast on the school's name.  Basically, it just seems that people want to be the best and will work hard--but they aren't trying to sabotage other people by tearing out pages or refusing to share outlines or what have you.  Every school has its gunners and such...but as long as they don't blantantly (or covertly) try to sabotage you, then it's fine.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Admissions/LSAT talk
« on: April 03, 2006, 08:13:50 PM »
Saw that Anna Ivey is doing a dual event in NY and NJ in April. Has anyone tried her out?

Yea I'm wondering about that too.  Also, has anyone paid for her consulting service?  Is it worth it? Why/why not?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is 20 too young for LSAT?
« on: April 03, 2006, 08:07:22 PM »
I'm 20...turning 21 the day after my college graduation (May 8).  I don't think it hurt me at all, but then again I can't even remember if any application even asked me for my DOB, so I think it's a fairly neutral factor.

I think it factors in more depending on the specific college you apply to.  LS do NOT want a class full of students right out of college.  I think the average age of students at Columbia is 25.

It varies from school to school.  Northwestern almost exclusively takes students with work experience; Vanderbilt, on the other hand, has an average starting age of 23, so there are plenty of younger students there.

Yup I was just about to mention NU.  They definitely love work expereince as 96% of the last entering class had at least one year of WE and they are trying to get it to 100%.

Black Law Students / Re: Do you say the n-word?
« on: April 03, 2006, 07:06:13 PM »
sorry, i took it as though u implied it didnít occur. I am simply providing anecdotal evidence that it does.

No problem!  I know that it does happen, but I highly doubt that it happens at the same frequency--additionally, those words are not a staple in pop culture the way the n-word is.

Black Law Students / Re: Do you say the n-word?
« on: April 03, 2006, 06:51:14 PM »
actually thats not true. I know homosexuals who call each other fags and ,and hispanics who call eacher spics. and ive seen many people in the jewish community do the same.

Thus the reason I said "I don't see..."

Black Law Students / Re: Do you say the n-word?
« on: April 03, 2006, 06:35:03 PM »
Personally, I don't like the word and I don't use it in conversation (though I will admit that when I'm singing a song, I don't skip it--I have to work on that).  I don't necessarily mind when people say it around me, but I don't let friends/family/SO's refer to me as a n-word.

Anyways, I don't think ANYONE (black included) should say it.  I think it's dumb that people say that they are reclaiming the word. It's crap to me.  I don't see any other races/ethnicites trying to "reclaim" derogatory words that refer to them.

Since this is a deathmatch, my $ is on Michigan.  You never know what you are going to want 3-4 years from now.  The opportunities Michigan has to offer are worth the $80k.

I definitely agree.  Plus, if you get the urge to clerk, you would be in a better position having gone to Mich IMO.

They are ranked pretty similar (14th vs 19th), and though the Georgetown facilities are nicer, GW is in a better area. Otherwise, the bar passage rates, salaries and employment numbers, etc. seem pretty comparable.

Though it seems that they are a mere 5 rankings apart, G-Town is part of the T14, arguably (by some) to be the national schools, thus possibly giving you more opportunities than other schools (which would be deemed as regional).  Yet, you should just go to the school that you feel would suit you best.  Good Luck and congrats.

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