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Messages - Master Mech.
« on: March 24, 2012, 11:39:21 PM »
I went to PSL, skip that choice at all costs, transferred to Cooley, love it! Hands down better than PSL, but you would have to attend both to know the differences. For instance in Torts, PSL doesn't cover products liability, Cooley Does. In Contracts PSL doesn't cover 3rd party beneficiaries, Cooley does. Take your pick, a school that charges the earth and doesn't cover bar material, or one that charges less and does cover bar material.
Also, look at the bar passage rates, PSL bombed the last July bar with something like 60% or less bar passage rate for first time takers. So, the education is evident in the ability to pass the bar. Lets see what PSL's graduating students did in the Feb. bar. Then you will know with some certainty the quality of the school.
Cooley on the other hand has had 80+% bar passage rate for 10 years.
« on: November 09, 2011, 05:11:03 PM »
Where is 61% coming from? According to LSAC their bar passage was 96% http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Publications/2011OG/aba4127.pdf http://abovethelaw.com/bar-exams/
That doesn't mean Phoenix is a great school or bad school. Whether someone passes the bar or not is largely up to the individual.
Berkeley had an 87% bar passage rate last year. 28 Berkeley grads failed the bar first time around does that make Berkeley a bad school? No it doesn't those people probably didn't do the requisite studying and will likely pass the second time around. Michelle Obama a Harvard Grad failed the bar the first time around and Harvard is not a bad school. She is not doing to bad for herself either despite failing. The Bar is something you need to start a legal career, but there are plenty of atrocious licensed attorneys that passed the first time. There are also many great lawyers and judges that failed first and even second time around.
If you attend Phoneix or any ABA school odds are you will pass the bar. Passing the bar does not mean you will get a job and that is a whole other struggle. Even if you get a job you will need to perform and perform well to keep it. Law is a competitive profession and no matter where you go it is a long road. It certainly helps to go to Harvard, Yale etc, but 99% of the population can't get into the Ivy League. Going to a non-elite school you will have an uphill battle ahead of you, but it is a winnable battle if your willing to put the time and effort in.
Odds are not a good as you think, instead of looking at old bar passage rates from 2009 posted on LSAT, look at the recent the July 2011 bar results are not so rosey.
« on: November 06, 2011, 05:58:53 PM »
Isn't the only other school in AZ, Arizona State, Sandra Day's school? Are you a disgruntled student? I'm not saying your wrong about Phoenix, btw. I really don't know too much about the school. 61% it harsh.
The point of the forum is to provide information. The fact is the overall bar passage rate was below 60%, something which I find alarming and I would think most people would agree. Another fact is that low bar passage rate is directly related to the quality of the education, let's face it bar passage is completely dependent on bar prep courses otherwise there would be no law schools. Another fact is that consistently low bar passage results will impact a the employment opportunities of graduates and alumni. Another fact is that tuition is over $20K per semester, which means students pay a large amount only to have a 61% chance of passing the Arizona bar. Perhaps you do not find the ABA results noteworthy, but I would certainly beg to differ that interested students should take note, because ABA results are fact and "61% it harsh", is not a complete sentence.
« on: November 06, 2011, 05:06:06 PM »
There is ASU and UofA.
Simple google search would uncover what AZ schools there are. Word has it University of Phoenix is going to start an online law school.
« on: November 03, 2011, 07:42:56 AM »
Their July 2011 bar passage rate was 61%, probably going to be on ABA probation. Seriously consider other options that adequately prepare you for the bar.
« on: November 02, 2011, 09:45:28 PM »
Seriously, I'd consider going to a better school. I know several students that have gone there, are there, and have transferred out. There are other options for school in AZ.
« on: November 02, 2011, 09:33:53 PM »
Considering the July 2011 bar exam results are in and Phoenix School of Law test takers had a 61% pass rate speaks volumes! The bar results along with a letter from Dean Mays and a former student was published. You can find it if you do a google search.
From a contract standpoint, PSL owes paying students a duty to teach the law, something they are obviously not doing under the present administration. Phoenix School of Law undoubtedly has some great professors, but as a whole, they are seriously under-performing.
From a student perspective, I'd consider going elsewhere because the tuition is over $21,000 when you add in all the fees and costs, and the ABA will place their accreditation on probation, coupled with the fact that their January bar takers have historically shown poor bar performance, it is likely that they will loose accreditation. But beyond that, it will definitely be harder to find a job with such poor performance as again, it speaks VOLUMES about the curriculum, quality of professors and most of all leadership.
« on: August 18, 2011, 12:24:13 PM »
First semester prof's are not very good.
School is on a C grading curve
Administration is very disorganized and disfunctional.
Check for which professors are preferred.
Cost per semester is $22K. despite what they say.