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Unless OP wants Texas, he/she should choose Wash U. None of the schools listed is national but each is good enough where top students can place in nearly any city. The money offered by Wash U makes it the clear choice.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 06, 2008, 02:10:36 AM »
So, for the current term 3 UF grads are clerking and for the term that has already ended 1 was clerking (according to incomplete data, which the author admits). 

Just another one of the many points you made in this thread that is far less than "empirical".

You are discredited by virtue of your dogged insistence that my information did not reflect the 2007-2008 term. You now admit you were wrong.

Bottom line: UF placement outside Florida is mediocre, market Biglaw does not go into the top 25% at UF, and FSU has better US News employment numbers (not to mention a higher LSAT)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:58:17 AM »
 

Well, that's 2 years ago.  Last year it was 3.
Learn to read

The number you provided is from a list posted on January 23, 2007.  Explain to me how that's for the 2007-2008 session?

pwn3d

You Gators really can get fired up.
 
They post in 2007 with the data detailing who will be clerking for the 2007-2008 term. It says "clerking for the 2007-2008 term" clear as day. You might want to take a moment, settle down, and re-read.

http://lawclerkaddict.blogspot.com/



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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:48:28 AM »
 

Well, that's 2 years ago.  Last year it was 3.
Learn to read


You Gators can get hostile.

You might want to check your own reading skills. The number I provided was not from two years ago as you claim. It was from the 2007-2008 session.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:35:54 AM »

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:29:08 AM »
 

I still want to know where you read that UF only had one federal clerkship.  Bless me with your empirical evidence, oh great one.  ;D

http://lawclerkaddict.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, January 23, 2007
Percentage of clerks by school
(The percentage represents the % of a given class that will be clerking for the 2007-2008 term. The denominators for class size include both full-time and part-time students. The numerators are not adjusted to exclude alumni who will clerk from current students, and include both alumni and current students.)

2 Stanford 26.6%
1 Yale 22.1%
2 Harvard 10.1%
10 Duke 9.0%
28 Notre Dame 8.0%
6 Chicago 6.3%
5 Columbia 5.8%
6 Penn 5.8%
8 Michigan 5.5%
10 Virginia 5.3%
8 Boalt 4.9%
18 Texas 4.5%
4 NYU 4.2%
16 Vanderbilt 4.0%
15 UCLA 3.8%
12 Northwestern 3.7%
14 Georgetown 3.3%
13 Cornell 3.1%
24 Iowa 2.7%
22 Emory 2.6%
36 Alabama 2.5%
28 Washington 2.2%
25 W&L 2.2%
20 Minnesota 2.2%
T4 Ave Maria 2.0%
T3 Mississippi 1.6%
16 USC 1.4%
36 Georgia 1.4%
34 George Mason 1.4%
19 WUSTL 1.4%
22 GWU 1.3%
36 Hastings 1.2%
28 Boston College 1.1%
91 Hawaii 1.0%
T3 Vermont 1.0%
31 Ohio State 0.9%
91 LSU 0.9%
31 Wisconsin 0.7%
T3 Memphis 0.7%
T3 Arkansas 0.7%
47 Tulane 0.7%
66 Missouri 0.7%
44 Arizona 0.7%
T3 West Virginia 0.7%
44 BYU 0.7%
53 Tennessee 0.6%
60 Temple 0.6%
77 Richmond 0.6%
60 Kentucky 0.6%
70 Oklahoma 0.6%
T3 Akron 0.5%
47 UConn 0.5%
31 W&M 0.5%
91 Dickinson 0.5%
97 Marquette 0.5%
36 North Carolina 0.4%
T3 Cleveland State 0.4%
T4 Wayne State 0.4%
25 Fordham 0.4%
60 Brooklyn 0.4%
70 Rutgers 0.4%
60 Houston 0.3%
60 Kent 0.3%
100 McGeorge 0.3%
52 Cardozo 0.3%
47 Florida 0.2%
T3 NY Law 0.2%

posted by Law Clerk Addict at 10:18 AM 3 comments 

Total clerks by school
2 Harvard 56
2 Stanford 46
1 Yale 44
5 Columbia 22
8 Michigan 20
10 Virginia 20
18 Texas 20
4 NYU 19
14 Georgetown 19
10 Duke 18
6 Penn 14
28 Notre Dame 14
8 Boalt 13
6 Chicago 12
15 UCLA 12
12 Northwestern 9
16 Vanderbilt 8
22 GWU 7
13 Cornell 6
20 Minnesota 6
22 Emory 6
24 Iowa 6
36 Hastings 5
28 Washington 4
36 Alabama 4
16 USC 3
19 WUSTL 3
25 W&L 3
28 Boston College 3
34 George Mason 3
36 Georgia 3
T3 Mississippi 3
T4 Ave Maria 3
25 Fordham 2
31 Ohio State 2
31 Wisconsin 2
47 Tulane 2
60 Brooklyn 2
60 Temple 2
91 LSU 2
T3 Vermont 2
31 W&M 1
36 North Carolina 1
44 Arizona 1
44 BYU 1
47 Florida 1
47 UConn 1
52 Cardozo 1
53 Tennessee 1
60 Houston 1
60 Kent 1
60 Kentucky 1
66 Missouri 1
70 Oklahoma 1
70 Rutgers 1
77 Richmond 1
91 Dickinson 1
91 Hawaii 1
97 Marquette 1
100 McGeorge 1
T3 Akron 1
T3 Arkansas 1
T3 Cleveland State 1
T3 Memphis 1
T3 NY Law 1
T3 West Virginia 1
T4 Wayne State 1

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:25:02 AM »

1) I did just look. Hardly any non-V100 pay 100k or more in Florida. 2 firms pay over 100K in Orlando. 2 in West Palm. 1 in Fort Lauderdale. 1 in Naples. 1 in Tampa. Zero in Boca, zero in Fort Myers, zero in Jacksonville, zero in St. Pete, zero in Tallahasse. That's 7 firms paying 100k or more. Not to mention, the Florida offices are not hiring associates in large numbers like in NY or Chicago.

3) Florida has terrible placement out of state. Martidale.com shows very few UF law grads working at BigLaw outside the state. Moreover, Florida only had one Federal clerk last year. 

1. You either misread or didn't properly navigate the website.

There are 19 firm offices in Miami alone paying greater than 100K


http://www.infirmation.com/shared/search/payscale-compare.tcl?city=Miami&usps_abbrev=FL

4 in Jacksonville
5 in Orlando
4 in Tampa

Here are a few more things to consider:
There are many other firms in other Florida cities, like the ones you mentioned above.
Not all firms are listed on infirmation.
The site is not updated too frequently. Some stats are a year or more old meaning some firms paying in the high 80s and upwards of 90k may be paying six figures now.

You keep going back and fourth in discussion between V100 and non V100 firms. To make it clear last time,I am referring to all firms paying Florida market, V100 or not.

3. Not every lawyer in the country, in any state, or even from UF is on Martindale or whatever website you are using as a source. There are a number of state clerkships in addition to federal clerkships. UF grads typically don't leave the state, but according to your stats, 17% or so of them do, its probable that many of these are top grads making room for firms to dig deeper. What part of this don't you understand?

Please do more research before you post again.

1.It has gotten confusing as to whether you wanted V100 firms included or not. Now that we have established that you generally mean all firms paying 100k, it is important to look your stats. You note 4 firms in Jacksonville pay 100k. One of them, Dewey and LeBoeuf, has only 4 total associates in their entire office. You note 5 firms in Orlando pay 100k. One of them, Foley and Larner, only has 13 associates in their entire office. You note 4 firms in Tampa pay 100k. One of them, DLA Piper, only has 12 associates in their entire office.

These type of numbers indicate that many of the 100k Florida firms will only be hiring around 2 associates per year. Even if there are 30 of these firms, there are so few spots that they need not go into the top 25% at UF.

Many of the firms you have listed do minimal hiring and some are merely satellite offices of major firms. Yes they pay highly, but they generally don't hire many associates.

3. Martindale is a solid source. It shows the mediocre placement of UF outside Florida.

4. I think another telling stat is the US News employment number for UF. UF has 74% employed at graduation compared to 80% for FSU.

You are making this too personal. I have nothing against UF. It has the best BigLaw placement of any school in Florida. But it is absurd to say that the top 25% have a realistic shot at market rate BigLaw. Only the top 10% do.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 06, 2008, 12:03:53 AM »
Well, look, I won't be going to UF for law school so I really have little stake in this. It's clear that if you don't want to work in the state of Florida, UF is not a great choice.

However, making 70K out of UF is not difficult to obtain, and 70K in Florida will go VERY far. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but this cost of living calculator ( http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html) says that 70K living in Tampa, FL is equal to about 145K in NYC. It's probably not perfect, but it gives you some perspective. It won't be a "prestigious" job and you won't be working on the most interesting cases, but you'll live comfortably. And with UF tuition, you won't have a lot of debt to pay off.

Agree 100%

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Recruiting at Florida Schools
« on: March 05, 2008, 11:42:11 PM »
OP said Florida V100 firms recruit into the top 25% at UF. The top 25% at UF equals approx. 115 students. There are less than 50 associate spots each year at the V100 firms in the entire state of Florida.
I don't think anyone here is necessarily talking about V100 firms.

1) 83% of UF grads are employed in-state. It is a regional school with local placement, even for the top 10%. This is evidenced by the dearth of UF grads at BigLaw firms outside the state of Florida.
2) Even if you add in the tiny handful of non-V100 firms that pay true market BigLaw rates, the math still does not work. With such a limited number of BigLaw jobs, and the reality that 83% of the class is staying in-state, it is absurd to contend that 115 students (the top 25%) at UF alone will have a serious shot a BigLaw.
3) There is no evidence to support, nor does common sense support, the idea that the top 25% would not be vying for the highest paying jobs.


1.There are fewer than a hundred, but tens of firms paying Florida market, which is 6 figures but less than other places. Check out the link I posted from infirmation.

3. Many people in the top 25% will be going after these jobs, but not every single person. It is also likely that UF grads traveling out of state will be top grads whose success in law school has afforded them that sort of probability. There is another minority wanting a public interest career. Others go for clerkships or other government work. There is no evidence to counter this, and common sense supports it quite well.

1) I did just look. Hardly any non-V100 pay 100k or more in Florida. 2 firms pay over 100K in Orlando. 2 in West Palm. 1 in Fort Lauderdale. 1 in Naples. 1 in Tampa. Zero in Boca, zero in Fort Myers, zero in Jacksonville, zero in St. Pete, zero in Tallahasse. That's 7 firms paying 100k or more. Not to mention, the Florida offices are not hiring associates in large numbers like in NY or Chicago.

3) Florida has mediocre placement out of state. Martidale.com shows very few UF law grads working at BigLaw outside the state. Moreover, Florida only had one Federal clerk last year.  

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Animal welfare law
« on: March 05, 2008, 11:00:30 PM »
Anyone know of a school with a good animal welfare program or that at least has classes in the subject?  I know it is a relatively new area of law, but it's what I want to do and so far the only school I know of that has it is Harvard (which I could never get into)

Duke has a good Animal Law Project

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