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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: W&L vs UIUC
« on: March 22, 2008, 07:53:25 AM »
I posted this on TLS but so far nobody has responded and I'm impatient, so here goes:
I hadn't thought anything of W&L because I didn't turn in my Dean's Certification, but they just sent me an e-mail acceptance and said that I can turn it in later. UIUC has given me $15,000/yr and W&M says that they will let me know about scholarship money after the 1 Apr deposit deadline for people accepted earlier in the cycle. I'm from New Orleans and I would like to come back here eventually, but I wouldn't mind working somewhere else for a few years to pay off the money I'll have to give back to my parents for school. Assuming W&L gives near the same amount of money, which do you guys think is best? Thanks in advance.

If you want to go back to New Orleans, I think W&L is a much better choice than Illinois.

I think Lenny's contention is that top 10% at W&L is not at a disadvantage when compared to a UVA median graduate. The raw numbers don't do anything to help the argument in favor of UVA median > top 10% at W&L, because we have no idea where those grads placed in their class. Due to the sheer size of the UVA class (375!), there are 95 top 25% graduates per year. That could easily account for all those listed by BruinBro for the DC firms, especially since UVA is known for sending a lot of their (best) grads to DC.

It's entirely a negative argument at this point, but that's only because the initial posit hasn't been defended in a while.

I have to respectfully disagree. The stats for UVA outpacing W&L are not isolated to DC. Among BigLaw in Texas, NY, Boston, and Chicago, UVA has around 15-35 graduates at firms where W&L has maybe 1 or two- if any at all. This wide disparity also undercuts the size argument. UVA is not 10 times as large as W&L.

It seems the evidence in support of the idea that W&L has BigLaw placement problems is fact-based and coming from the actual websites of the law firms. The contrary opinion seems to be based on the assertion of "trust us, we place great". It seems better to trust facts more than anecdotes. 

Hunton & Williams and Troutman Sanders are both at 145, Williams Mullen isn't far behind. 

Each of those firms typically takes several students from each class from what I can tell.  Same thing with comparable firms in Charlotte.  Considering our small size (there are only 113 students in my class), our raw numbers are not going to be overpowering.  Sure some other schools place better - but the raw data is a bit skewed - many of those schools are 3 times the size of W&L. 

Couple the 10-15% or so of grads in the bigger markets with the 10 or so percent going to firms like the ones I mentioned above, and you start to have a decent amount of graduates making substantial money.  Add in other Richmond firms, Hirschler Fleischer, McGuire Woods, etc. all of which pay 110+, and its not like graduates are making 40k in backwoods West Virginia.

I'm not pretending it is Harvard - but its not like W&L grads can't make it in DC or NY if they do reasonably well and seek out those positions.

Huh? Hunton and Williams has 5 total associates from W&L in their Richmond office. Troutman Sanders only has 2.

I don't think anyone is saying that W&L grads are making 40k in the backwoods. But it sure is hard to find many W&L grads at most BigLaw firms outside of Virginia and darn hard to find many at the Vault 100 firms. 

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Rejected at UC Berkley
« on: March 20, 2008, 05:56:53 PM »
I received my first rejection today and it was Berkley. It was expected but the optimist in me held out hope. I have shot 3 for 4 so far with 6 more to go. If I can get 2 or 3 of those I will be happy. If it helps anyone I have a 160 and a 4.0.

Sorry to hear it  :-\

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Quinnipiac Univ. Law
« on: March 20, 2008, 05:51:34 PM »
I started a similar thread in another section but did not get much info, so I'm trying again here.

Does anyone know much about the school?  I'm originally from CT and just got a pretty hefty scholarship from QU, so I'm hoping someone might be able to tell me a bit about it.

I am familiar with Quinnipiac's physical beauty - can any students out there fill me in on what life is like at the school?
Profs, Students, Grading curve, Job prospects in/outside of CT?

Oh yeah, I also got a bigger scholarship package from Albany, but like I said I'm more interested in working in CT - so advice on that point would be helpful too.

Any info would be great, thanks!   :)

They do one heck of an election poll

Not that this really matters - but I believe a current 3L at W&L will be working at Cravath next year.  And I'm pretty sure he is not top 10% but I really have no idea.  Very few doors are closed by going to W&L.

Also, V100 firms are great - but for many people, myself included, jobs paying 130-145 in cities like Richmond at more "regional biglaw" firms are just as appealing as NY or DC firms making 145-160.  W&L has a large number of grads doing the former, its not like your options are just V100 or a PD office. 

Regardless - W&L has its ups and downs - but with your scholarship it is a great education at a fairly low price.  If you enjoy your visit, hopefully you will join us in LexVegas next year.

I don't think there are too many 145k jobs in Richmond. Certianly not enough to absorb a significant amount of W&L graduates each year.

And even if many W&L grads were choosing to stay in secondary markets, how does one explain the fact that W&L has only one or two (and sometimes zero) graduates at many of the best law firms. The numbers are pretty stark. Except for Iowa and perhaps Minnesota, I don't know of a top 25 school with less placement among the top 100 law firms.

They're not worth it at full price. Most people I know from there are really struggling.


Law School Admissions / Re: All about TRANSFERRING! (after 1L year)
« on: March 13, 2008, 06:45:37 AM »
I'm not going to pretend I know all about this stuff, but what I do know comes from my own experience. Our firm (not sure if considered "biglaw" but we pay market salary in all 8 office locations) hires people spanning the entire range of law schools. We have GULC and UVA grads all the way down to Tier 4. We hire a lot from regional schools (including a great deal from a nearby Tier 3) but there are certainly exceptions.

I don't disagree with anything that's been said here, but my own opinion is to go to the best school you can get into as long as you think you'll be happy there. If you always work your hardest it will pay off eventually, and it's 100 times easier to work hard if you're happy.

My view on transferring is that it should be done if you're completely dissatisfied with your situation and the only way you can think of (REALLY think of) is to get out of that school and into another.

I completely agree. GW has such a great reputation that I really don't think that you'll have a huge problem finding a job in Boston. If you are in the suggested top 10% or even top 5% for as some are saying is needed to transfer, I really doubt it would be extremely hard for you to find a job in Boston.   But like blobstah said, if you're truly dissatisfied with the environment and can't see yourself succeeding at the school for another year, then a transfer might be in order. 

You don't need to be top 10% to lateral. If you wanted to go to BU or BC, you could probably do it with top 30% or maybe even lower.

Law School Admissions / Re: UNC
« on: March 09, 2008, 09:00:10 AM »
I think I'm just going to preemptively withdraw from UNC.

Their faculty seems to be taking the same approach

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