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Current Law Students / Re: LEEWS
« on: January 14, 2007, 08:43:32 AM »
I bought it and started trying it.  I got through the first 2 CDs before I just got so bored with it.  The presenter is a pompous windbag, and it is more motivational speaking than anything else.

What it gives you, is a basic process for how to tackle the exams.  If you don't have a process already, or haven't already figured out how to sit down and analyze a problem, LEEWS might actually be good for you.  As I said, I gave up on it before sitting through it all.  For me it was BS because he was just pointing out things that were already obvious to me.

Now, maybe he gets into some more useful stuff later in the CD's.  I never listened that far.

Job Search / Re: reciprocity? what's up with this scam
« on: January 13, 2007, 07:28:43 PM »
It is possible that the recipricocity agreement in this case is meant mostly for lawyers who have already graduated from school, and are looking for a job change.  In those cases, such agreements are more useful, as alumni are unlikely to travel back to their home school during the job hunt.  They'd rather work through a placement office in the city where they are currently working.

The placement offices also do not want to have to actively be helping students from another school compete for the same jobs as their own students.  This is less of an issue in the second semester of 3L and after graduation.  That's probably why they open it up at that point.

Job Search / Re: Any Offers yet?
« on: January 13, 2007, 07:24:56 PM »
Unfortunately, once people actually have offers, it will be too late to hit that firm up for offers, as they'll probably have interviewed everyone already.

No offers yet.  No interviews yet.  Everyone keeps on asking for grades first.

Job Search / Re: envelopes?
« on: January 13, 2007, 07:23:55 PM »
Go with business sized envelopes.  They are set up so that you place two folds in them (dividing the long side of the paper in thirds).  They're the most commonly used size of envelope in the business world.  Manilla envelopes are only for things you really don't want to bend, such as an 8x10 picture or an inch thick stack of papers.

Likewise, do not choose the small envelopes that you have to fold your paper up to 1/6th the size to get it in.

Current Law Students / Re: Academic Probation :(
« on: January 12, 2007, 09:41:23 PM »
If you can pull your grades up for the rest of school, there shouldn't be much of a long-term problem.  When you apply for jobs, you put your final GPA down, and I've never heard of any questions about whether you were ever on academic probation unless you ended with a low GPA as well.

The only time I ever remember being asked about academic probation was when I applied to law school in the first place.  So you may have problems if you have to withdraw from school and reapply or if you wanted to transfer schools.  If you were ever hoping to get past a Senate Confirmation Hearing, it could also come up.

So I doubt it is catastrophic, except for the problems in getting your GPA higher.

Current Law Students / Re: Some general questions. Please help!!
« on: January 12, 2007, 09:36:04 PM »
A note on the last item of adjusting loan sizes.  Another thing they will not increase loan sizes for is additional family.  You can't get any more for being married or having children.

This is a very personalized decision to your circumstances.  You also aren't clear what your decision is.

1.  Are you just getting out of undergraduate and wondering if you should go on to graduate school (JD/MBA)?
2.  Are you admitted to an MBA program and trying to decide if you want to get a joint JD/MBA?
3.  Are you admitted to a JD program and trying to decide if you want to get a joint JD/MBA?
4.  Something else I can't imagine right now?

Personally, I am not a believer in the joint programs.  I say you do one or the other.  Unless you are going for a fairly specialized position, there isn't much benefit from doing both.  You spend an extra year in school, but don't typically get any extra salary.  Now, there are some jobs that may seek out JD/MBAs.  You may also not care about working and earning money, and just want to experience school.  For 99% of the people, I'd recommend sticking to just one program, though.

Current Law Students / Re: Do people study over break?
« on: January 12, 2007, 09:28:36 PM »
It will partly depend on your school.  At my school (UTexas), booklists for classes weren't posted till last week on Wednesday.  The campus bookstores said they wouldn't have all the books in till about Tuesday of this week.  School starts up again on this coming Tuesday.

So even those who really wanted to study ahead couldn't have more than a week of prep time.  As it is, most of my classes have just posted the very first day of reading, and don't have a full reading schedule up yet.  It isn't a problem if you know the class will just read through the entire book or at least start at the beginning.  I had a class that started in the middle and jumped around a lot this past semester, so I'll probably always wait on a reading schedule.

Current Law Students / Re: Attrition Rates
« on: December 24, 2006, 08:42:05 PM »
Go to

The site has their Official Guide.  Under ABA Law School data for each individual school they list attrition rates for the last year.

We'll take UTexas, since it was mentioned.

1L - 3.0%
2L - 2.0%
3L - 0.4%
All of those were listed as Other attrition instead of Academic.

Current Law Students / Re: Playing job offers against one another
« on: December 24, 2006, 08:36:41 PM »
OK, you answered my first question, you're a 2L.  This makes a difference.  Note, I've not gone through the process yet, but this is what I've gathered.

There is a deadline required by the NALP for when job offers can first expire.  It is December 1 (that's what the Skadden folks said at a Q&A session I attended).  Since it is already past that point, there probably aren't additional requirements.  The firms are trying to finalize who will actually be coming over the summer so they can plan on how many 1L positions they'll have, and possibly grab any remaining 2Ls.

It is perfectly acceptable to call a firm who hasn't given you an answer yet and tell them you have a job offer and need to make a decision soon.  I am presuming of course that you have already interviewed with the firm and are just waiting on a decision.  You can call them (one of the interviewers probably gave you their card).  Start by asking them what the status of their decision is.  If they are still deciding, let them know you have an offer on the table, but need to act on it.  Give them the date you need to know by.

If they want you, they'll speed things up.  You can tell them that you'd really like to work at their company, but you need an offer or else you'll have to take the existing offer.  If they don't want you, they won't do anything, so you'll want to more seriously consider the existing job offer.

Definitely do this through a phone call, not an e-mail.  Do not leave the information in a voice message, you want to talk with someone directly to make sure someone is going to act on it.  Make sure you talk with a decision-maker.  You want to talk with someone who is involved in the process and can actually speed up a decision, rather than the person who was just sitting in on the interview to learn how to do a recruiting job.

I know, this is too late to help you by now, but maybe someone else will have a similar question.

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