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Transferring / Re: Of course your LSAT score matters when transferring!
« on: August 24, 2007, 09:54:24 PM »
I would like to challenge the conventional wisdom that one's LSAT score does not come into consideration when they apply as a transfer student to other law schools.

I realize that not every transfer applicant posts his/her results on the transferapps group at Yahoo. But when looking at that data and the schools those students from T3s and T4s have applied to, very few actually get into top 10 schools. When a #1 or #4 (top 2%) student at a T4 cannot get into Penn, but a top Top 9% student from a 50s school can, that tells me that the quality of the school that one is transferring from plays a huge part in the process. How did that student get into their first law school? By achieving a certain score on the LSAT.

I'm sure that ridiculous soft factors may give T3ers or T4ers a better chance of acceptance at a top school. Nonetheless,  to say that one's LSAT score plays no part in the transfer process would be giving transfer students a false hope that they have a reasonable shot at transferring into the highest ranked law schools.

Your're talking about the "general student strength" of the school as being a primary factor for a top-of-the-class student transferring into an elite school. (primary factor behind "general student strength" = LSAT median for the school) --- so yeah, lsat is an indirect factor in most cases. 

But keep in mind if a student got a 153 / 3.9 ugpa and then got into a school with a median 160 LSAT, and then got to the top of the class --- well, that student is in great shape for top schools despite the low lsat.

Also, re: T3's and 4's: some might be more respected than others. (john marshall-chi, suffolk, chapman, come to mind...)

edit: looks like as important points have already been made, ah well...

Current Law Students / Re: Does briefing cases as a 1L = waste of time?
« on: August 22, 2007, 08:57:40 PM »
is it possible a substantial # of people never learn how to properly brief a case?

I noticed a few errors by whoever had my textbook previously... just stuff like writing "issue" in the column when the opinion stated "our issue is..." when it wasn't really the "issue" the case turned on, or writing "history" next to the explanation of the previous common law etc...

I hope briefing (in these early-on days) will help me to know I'm getting the point, and hitting it on the head.

Where I see it wasting time is regarding the specifics of the fact pattern... that's probably good for the class and for the general sake of diligence but little else.

Current Law Students / Re: Abortion
« on: August 14, 2007, 08:13:25 PM »
Anyone who has ever actually worked for an abortion provider will tell you that those images are a load of crap.  They are made up by sick-o anti-choicers--it's propaganda, pure and simple.  The truth hurts, indeed.

can you explain this statement more clearly? I don't know this...

Looks like most are 3rd trimester abortions, the saline one is 2nd trimester, right?

Anything else we should know about these pics? 

Current Law Students / Re: Store Law Outliner 4.0 Discussion
« on: August 14, 2007, 03:32:23 PM »
fyi the info I gave on "limiting" templates was in regards to "Aspen Law Studydesk" -- a similar product.  Haven't tried this one yet.

Anyone familiar with Casebriefs digital briefs? They appear to be quite expansive in terms of the casebooks they are keyed to, but I have no idea how they compare with other canned briefs ---  Store Law has links to this on its site. 

Current Law Students / Re: My Advice to Incoming 1L's
« on: August 10, 2007, 12:20:03 PM »
"Law school is the route to moral greatness in any number of professions...."

Well, no, that's not true at all. Law school is the route to the legal profession and not much else. Moral greatness is achieved elsewhere, I'm afraid.

Oh please. Everybody knows that all lawyers are perfectly honest and fair. I've never heard of one who was a jerk or who was shady, have you?  :D

What's the differences btw ethics and morality? I think morals are systems of conduct guided by sets of principles and ethics is more like the study of morals... OK I guess law encompasses both.

Current Law Students / Re: What to bring to interview?
« on: August 10, 2007, 11:38:00 AM »
office max...

Current Law Students / Re: My Advice to Incoming 1L's
« on: August 10, 2007, 11:33:21 AM »
yeah i'm flipping out atm. Thinking absurd things like "Why didn't i go to that little regional school on the other side of the country with an avg lsat that was 7 points lower? Now how the hell am i going to make the top of the class? ARGH!!!"

I need to chill out.

Current Law Students / Re: Store Law Outliner 4.0 Discussion
« on: August 06, 2007, 12:57:00 PM »
I'm anxious and curious enough to try this, but I have some doubts. I will get around to the trial while in school.

I DL'd Aspen Law Studydesk (sorry for the tangent), I haven't sat through one day of class yet, and already, I can see how I won't be able to use it for everything. The biggest single thing I have noticed is the templates limit it a lot. (e.g. w/ respect to the legal concepts and the especially the "outlining wizard" --- seems WAY too simple, and doesn't allow for routine tweaking while assimilating notes.)

Again, I'll try this eventually - they do have that free trial I noticed on the site. You never know, if it help to facilitate one little thing it could wind up being a huge gain.

Amen to the first two responses above.  Put those suggestions into practice as if they came from the keyboard of your favorite religious hero.

Two other suggestions:

1.  Reserve your judgment about others - no one else has ever gone to law school before and may be nervous or otherwise pressurized with anxiety.  Also, don't be afraid of people's bluffs trying to act like they are the best thing that has come to your law school - you haven't gotten a single grade yet.

2.  If you're a guy, immediately start checking the left hands.  This will likely be a very disappointing experience indeed as you will discover that you'll have to fend for the same selection as every other guy foaming at the mouth around you.

good advice

Isn't the retention rate for BIGLAW firms quite small?  It's my understanding that many people quit after just a couple of years.

yeah, don't know how this firm in particular compares with the norm for big firms. However, on the flipside, it is not like all the associates are thinking "making partner here is the sole pathway to success", especially considering the salary and experience. You can go back and forth on that for a while though...

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