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Current Law Students / Re: Gunners firing blanks?
« on: September 18, 2007, 08:52:44 AM »
sometimes I'd imagine a couple weeks of class will get people to chill out and realize how little they know...

Current Law Students / Re: 1L's: Do you like the people?
« on: September 17, 2007, 06:49:01 PM »
my point is I'm sorry for worrying about it and taking it personally though...

I dunno maybe its a good area of discussion - I thought people would be more locked into their [hopeful] future careers etc and instead yeah it seems a little juvenille the way ppl are intermingling but what the hell do i know...

Maybe I just need to go get a date. Conventional wisedom says it might be wise to go outside law school for that.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L's: Do you like the people?
« on: September 17, 2007, 05:50:17 PM »
It isn't just the young 21-23 year olds who are behaving in this way. There are lot of mature traditional students whom I respect a lot more than some of the non-trads who are using law school as a launch pad for College Part II.

right about that... hopefully I'm not in that category.

Actually yeah I changed my mind. Geez, who cares...

Current Law Students / Re: 1L's: Do you like the people?
« on: September 16, 2007, 10:04:38 AM »
there's also the possibility that the lawyers you knew were just a good group of people (were they all from the same firm?  In which case they probably self-selected themselves - decent people tend to enjoy working with other decent people)

It is mostly based on a single firm, but even that was BIGLAW (so, taking into account plenty of negatives there)... Not like I was buddy-buddy with everyone, but I figured that if I could generally appreciate the environment there, I'd only be headed for better things...

I don't know what ppl think about acheiving in school, (actually i might be, for better or worse, more hung up on that than the norm) but so many ppl at my school just seem really clique-ish, flakey, flashy, uppity, you name it.

Eh, I'll deal (and no I won't drop out) it's not the end of the world, and it's probably best to find wayst to navigate through this *&^% early on...

Current Law Students / 1L's: Do you like the people?
« on: September 15, 2007, 10:45:19 PM »
I've worked a few years out of college. Hardly gives me a sense of entitlement to say I think I know what I'm doing compared to those straight out of school. 

But one thing that got me into law was I got along well with lawyers in general.  These were ppl who, *generally* liked to think about things openly / admit they weren't always right / took interest in details of how things worked. 

At the one-month point in my first year, I don't see many of these characteristics in classmates (perhaps in a few of them). Did I have an unrealistic idea of lawyers' personalities, or is it just that as students we all haven't budded yet? At my school, a majority of students are straight out of school...

Regardless, *some* of these people are EXTREMELY ARROGANT and SNOTTY. I mean, its just unreal, the 'tudes of some of these dudes (and girls for that matter).  It's like I have to do a double take in given situations b/c there's no way a person who's managed to negotiate themselves through life would turn up their nose at another person like that... [except in law school].

Sorry, bad day and lots of time studying (perhaps unproductively) by self... but god does anyone else see the same problems? I wish the BAR had some kind of "no jerk" policy --- maybe I'm hoping for WAY too much.

I think it matters, and I only say that because where you work your first job after graduation depends a lot on where you went to school, and that job sets the trend for most of your career.

I dunno if you're "locked in" per se after your first gig but yeah I think you're def. right about needing to consider career implications of a school. This need goes beyond knowing a school's general degree of prestige. Alumni base / faculty connections are something to be aware of WHEREVER you're thinking of going. 

I might have lucked out on this (or not?) despite the fact I didn't research it much re my decision... I've got a ways to go.

basically I subscribe to the idea that there are maybe 20-25 "Name" (or close enought to it...) schools that can do something for you...

[not entirely dependent on rank either, e.g. ND / BC most likely trumps higher-ranked IL generally] for the rest you're more or less on your own, and although there might be some general knowledge about schools' relative strengths, it is not all that dramatic.

[another point for this: OSU is #31 in the nation; Dayton is Tier 4 (but a well-connected catholic university).   According to USN*, their salary numbers are almost even, with 56% reporting from OSU and 88% reporting from dayton].

*granted these numbers aren't very reliable but I would NOT AT ALL be surprised to learn that the median private practice salary of UDayton grads was higher than that of OSU's grads.

Transferring / Re: IU to Notre Dame = Worth it?
« on: August 26, 2007, 11:27:48 AM »
I'm not sure if Career Services will know the cutoffs for OTHER schools, to offer a basis for comparison -- that would be nice to know, but I'll work on it.  I do like the CSO ppl - they appear to be very realistic at my school too.


Transferring / Re: IU to Notre Dame = Worth it?
« on: August 25, 2007, 04:40:49 PM »
I left my slightly lower ranking school for ND.  I have no regrets at all after seeing the stats that firms required/preferred at my old school's OCI.  While ND doesnt exactly rank its students, the same firms recruit 10-20% deeper at ND.  Additionally, more firms from various locations recruit at ND than at my former school, where ~95% came from the same state and a neighboring state. You may not care as much since youre looking at Detroit and IU may have plenty of Detroit firms recruiting there.  Just for one eg I looked for the reqts that a Detroit firm has at ND.  Foley & Lardner - 33%/3.4/3.33.  If you can, compare that to IU and consider whether the increased % (if there is one) is worth the money.

any way I can get my hands on general cutoff info for the large firms as a 1L? (e.g. is it released publically, or should I talk to an upper-classman or career services?)

Current Law Students / Re: Roger Williams is a scam
« on: August 25, 2007, 02:49:37 PM »
Jew scammers at Roger Williams law school admit to lying about employment rates and even salary statistics but they won't do anything about it.  They also admit the school hates blacks and poor people.


I might be at fault just for asking, but what on earth are you basing this on?

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