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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 18, 2013, 10:23:50 PM »
Hofstra just fell from 89th to 113th this year so it will take a couple of years to be reflected in placement figures. Again, think what you want about Campos, but a lot of people consider him an expert on legal education.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 15, 2013, 12:54:35 AM »
Nope. The stats you say are for 2013 are actually from 2011. Look at Hofstra on Law School Transparency. http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=hofstra

fall 2010 158 3.58
fall 2011 159 3.32
fall 2012 157 3.26
fall 2013 154 3.14 (according to Hofstra http://law.hofstra.edu/admissions/jdprogram/whostudiesathofstra/index.html#See who studies at Hofstra Law)

This looks like a big drop to me.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 14, 2013, 08:43:54 PM »
My point was that Campos had some interesting comments about Hofstra. You can agree with them or disagree with him but he is the expert. It seems to me that ""Hofstra’s law school is a classic example of an institution whose very reason for being has become at the least highly questionable." is a pretty harsh statement.  I don't think you can argue that Hofstra has precipitously lowered its admissions statements when "Three years ago the entering class’s median GPA was 3.58; this fall it is 3.14 (This latter figure is now lower than that of all but a handful of bottom-tier law schools with frankly quasi-open admissions policies). Over the past two years the entering class’s median LSAT has gone from 159 (77.6th percentile) to 154 (59.7th); a quarter of the new entering class has LSAT scores lower than those of the average test-taker." Finally, " Hofstra nominally charges a preposterous $49,500 in annual tuition and fees, even though half of the 2012 graduating class didn’t get legal jobs, and a grand total of 17% of graduates reported salaries of $55,000 or more nine months after graduation."


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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 14, 2013, 04:18:45 PM »
Also Hofstra is not supposed to be competing with CUNY and NYLS. They are supposed to be competing with St. Johns (98) and Brooklyn (80). NYLS is unranked in us news and CUNY is 132.  Yes Hofstra grads can compete with CUNY and NYLS grads, but they will have problems competing with St. Johns and Brooklyn grads based on Hofstra's current us news rank.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 14, 2013, 03:51:18 PM »
Not true. Compare the us news rankings to the placement outcomes on Law School Transparency.  There is a significant correlation between the us news rank and the placement outcome. 

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 14, 2013, 02:22:41 PM »
gpa is important because gpa affects the us news law rank. Like it or not, law firms hire based on a schools us news rank. Hofstra fell from 89th to 113th last year. This year its gpa fell from to 3.26 to 3.14 and its median lsat fell from 157 to 154. That's a huge drop. Therefore Hofstra will probably drop again for the next us news rankings. They could even fall into the 4th tier.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 13, 2013, 11:36:39 PM »
The fact remains that only 51.2% of Hofstra's 2012 graduates got fulltime jobs that required a JD. This would be important to you if you were a recent law school graduate. Also, according to Campos, "Three years ago the entering class’s median GPA was 3.58; this fall it is 3.14 (This latter figure is now lower than that of all but a handful of bottom-tier law schools with frankly quasi-open admissions policies)." That is a major drop in gpa.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 12, 2013, 05:23:07 PM »
The stats I gave above are based on the stats that Hofstra reported to the ABA for the year 2012. You can find them on Law School Transparency. Only 3.9% of the 2012 graduates job statuses was unknow. So, you are wrong that the stats are low quality. Would you guess whether these 3.9% were employed or unemployed? My guess is that they were unemployed.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 12, 2013, 02:37:32 PM »
Did you know that according to the latest ABA job placement statistics (for 2012), only 51.2% of Hofstra's graduates had long-term, full-time legal jobs? That means that 48.*% didn't. Almost half the graduating class [http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=hofstra&show=chars]  Is this acceptable? Did you know that 22.3% of Hofstra's 2012 were unemployed?  [http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=hofstra&show=chars] Is this acceptable? Did you know that Hofstra placed only 4.4% of its 2012 graduates in large firms? [http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=hofstra] Is this acceptable? Did you know that according to Law School Transparency Hofstra had a 35.8% underemployment score for 2012? {http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=hofstra] Is this acceptable?

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 11, 2013, 03:02:46 PM »
Paul Campos is the leading expert on the current law school crisis. What are your credentials?

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