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The one from Sweden is not liscense attorney, we can go on and on, on this, so this will be my last message..  I provided the actually document from the California Bar, it's no info from some condensed bar requirement guide, its is straight from the source with contact info.

Also there is another school, University of Washington, they have an online LLM in American Legal system, they dont make claim on their web-site but in a recent article, they did say their online LLM degree would probably meet the requirements for the California bar.  So, there is JFK, FCSL, University of Washington all have indicated that their online LLM degree would meet the California requirements.  Also, Regent doesn't make any claims, but if you look at their curriculum, the California Responsibility course is offered, why would a Virginia Law School be offering a California course unless their program would meet the requirement.

You indicated that you got your JD online, you should be happy that there are other avenues for people to achieve their goals but I digress.  If my option doesn't work, I'm fine with it but I'm still proceeding as plan.

I have a good career and I don't have any intentions of leaving it.  My career is still on the up rise, so, this is my best route, and the most cost effective, all I would be out of 20k (LLB/LLM combined) and the possibly to enhance my corporate career to VP / SR. VP level not that I need it with 2 master degrees from very good brick and motar schools and great experience. Best of luck to you.

The rules are for people with foreign law degrees.  In Europe there is no JD degree only a LLB and it is common law based.   I have a friend that's studying for the Cali bar as we speak and their law degree is from Sweden which is civil law based and they have an online LLM and yes, you have to register as a law student with the Cali bar examiner, once you start the LLM program or Cali program.

The below info is part of the Cali Bar rules, and based on the below rules the distance learning LLB would meet these requirements.  The LLB is a qualifying law degree in Europe no matter if you got it on ground or distance learning.

(B) Obtain from a credential evaluation service approved by the
Committee a certificate that the applicant’s first degree in law meets
the educational requirements for admission to practice law in the
foreign state or country in which it was obtained

Below is the most current  and accurate information for those who have a foreign law degree.  This comes straight from the California bar examiners.

John F. Kennedy, Florida Coastal, and Regent all gear their online LLM program in American Legal Studies for the California bar.  Look at their course curriculum, they all have the same courses and all 3 programs offer California Professional Responsibility course and 2 of the schools are not even located in California.  FCSL and JFK both have on their web-site that students that complete their online LLM in American Legal Studies are eligible to sit for the California Bar.  Regent doesn't make this claim but if you look at their online curriculum the California Professional course is there, so  a Virginia Law School has a California course in their curriculum.  There are other states like Wisconsin that will let a person sit with an LLM in American Legal Studies but it has to be completed on ground in a classroom setting.   New York it has to be on ground plus your LLB needs to be on ground as well. 

However, California has always been liberal, its the home of distance learning and corespondent schools.   JFK is a California Law school and their online LLM program in United States Legal studies, a non ABA school meets the requirements for LLB graduates to take the bar in California.

I have met several people in my reserach that have gone the distance learning foreign track and 2 recent graduates of this track that are currently studying for the California bar.  I read a lot of messages on this board and its real funny to me that most people on this board is negative.  I know the rules and have done my research.  Thanks for your input.  Education is what you make of it, I'm already living proof of that, life includes obstacles, and I'm up for any challenge that comes my way.

It's not difficult to get certified to take the California bar, California has the most difficult bar exam true enough, but I just want a shot to become an licensed attorney.   I am 40 yrs old and I make a 6 figure income and my career is still on the up rise.  Quitting my career to gain a 100K debt by going back to school is not an option, when I can be saving that for the next 3 yrs.  Also, I make more than the average lawyer working today.   I went to an ABA law school over 12 yrs ago and had to drop out within my 1 st semester because I did not have the funds to attend the out of state school I was going to,..  So for me , this is just something personal to me of unfinished business.   As far as cost, my LLB is costing me less than 5k and you can get a LLM from Florida Coastal for 15K and change.  So, no it's not the ideal route, but for a person that has an established career and family, then you have to make the best out of the situation that is presented to you.  For a person that's in their 20's - to early 30's then, I recommend going to a ABA law school.   I'm cool with the obstacles I will have to face going the route I'm traveling.  I feel it can only help me, I'm already in a senior leadership position for a Fortune 500 company.  I have 2 master degree with one being a MBA from a very good ACC school, so I'm not light on education credentials.

I just finished my first year at Northumbria School of Law via distance learning.  I did my homework in researching distance learning law schools.  I'm glad I chose Northumbria, for the money you spend it is an unbelievable value, total cost less than 5k for 3 yr program.  You have access to online lectures, PowerPoint presentations, additional readings, etc.  You have to make an assessment of your situation.  I have a successful career and make a decent living and still have a lot of up rise in my career. However, I have a burning desire to get a legal education but paying 100K to go to law school is not an option for me at this stage of my career.   If you decide to go the distance learning LLB track, California will be the best place to take the bar.  Once, you pass the California bar, there will be more options to enter other states.  However, once you complete a LLB, you must then enroll in an LLM program in American Legal Studies / US Legal Studies or complete one year at a California law school.  There are 3 good online programs that gear their program for students to take the California bar.  The law schools that offer the online LLM are Florida Coastal,  Regent University, and John F. Kennedy Law School.  They all offer the required courses that meets the California requirements.  I hope this helps.

Non-Traditional Students / Re: Well, I got into law school...
« on: July 11, 2011, 03:14:55 PM »
Duncanjp - well said!  Life is what you make in every human endeavor.  I know multi-millionaires who went to small colleges in undergrad, etc.    I got into a a ABA school in my late 20's but I did not have the fiance to attend an ABA school.  At the time I applied to law school's in my late 20's I only been working about 2 yrs at an entry level position for a Fortune 500 just getting my career started.  I always wanted to go then and now to law school but at 40 yrs old with the goal of retiring in the next 20 years that not a smart move on my part to encounter 100k of debt.  I make a 6 figure income and have for the last 5 years and my career is still on the up rise.  I do feel that a law degree will get me over the hump in becoming a top executive for a Fortune 500.  The main thing for me is to get "licensed", at this stage of the game not caught up if its ABA or not. It would make absolutely no sense for me to add 100k of law school debt, just to make 20k more if I'm lucky and lose 3 or 4 yrs of income.

If a person is in their 20's or early 30's I recommend try and get into an ABA school but beyond that the scope changes.

I went to an SEC school for undergrad and  went to an ACC school for grad school. I want a law degree just something I want plus after I retire, I may want to do some freelancing in taking on a few cases as a second career of my life.

Non-Traditional Students / Re: Well, I got into law school...
« on: July 05, 2011, 12:12:18 PM »
The GA bar wavier process is available to all Non ABA graduates and graduates from a foreign law school, reciprocity doesn't apply for Non ABA graduates as it relates to the GA Bar.  Waiver process consist of 6 detail steps in which you have to thoroughly state your case and have an ABA Dean or someone appointed by the Dean to conduct an evaluation of the program and write a letter to the GA Bar.  Even if  the requirements are met, finally decision is up to the GA Bar.  I don't know how many people have gone through this process but I am aware of 2 people that have gone through the process since the wavier rule has been in effect.

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