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@ Financialtaxguy -  California Bar Examiners makes no distinction between an online LLB or ground LLB.  I spoke to the Bar Examiners, spoke to the actual person who wrote the rules to the link you provided and I got the 411 from the persons mouth.  I asked all the tough questions that I recieved from this board, the examiner laughed how folks try to interpret the rules and tell them what it suppose to be.  The examiner who wrote the rules was very helpful and broke the rules down for me and even walked me through the process online. 

Also, I personally know someone that graduated from Florida Coastal online LLM in October 2012, they are taking the California Bar in February 2013, their law degree is in civil law.    Also, their are a couple online LLM Programs in American Legal Studies online that gear their curriculum to meet the California Bar Requirements.  Some of the schools are FCSL, Regent, Washington University at St. Louis, and John F. Kennedy.   I have written communication and verbal communication on the first 3 law schools, you dont have to be a lawyer to be accepted in their program, a qualifying LLB will be just fine.

Well I plan to take the QLTS but that's further down the road.  I have 1 more year of my LLB program and then LLM, then bar exam.  I'm enjoying this journey of road less traveled by.  I have 3 degrees from very good schools and I make a six figure income and my career is still on the up rise and it wasn't the name of the schools I went to that got me where I am, it was my hard work, drive, and perseverance.   I have a lot of  close college friends that are lawyers most have their own practice and surprisingly they are very supportive.  I'll probably just use my legal education to enhance my career or go into immigration law.

The experience requirement removed for the new QLTS versus the QLTT  which required 2 years of experience.  The QLTS replaced the QLTT.  Appears this went into effect September 2010.

Additional info on the removal of the experience requirement on the QLTS

If I recall from your previous posts you have a distance learning  law degree from the US.  Why are you so concerned about the foreign route and if someone would be able to pass the bar.  Just curious, you spend a lot of energy debating and countering the topic.  I would expect this from an ABA traditional law graduate but from a person who got a distance learning legal education it is really humorous to have this thing for online foreign legal education,  I have 1 semester at a ABA law school that I attended a long time ago and withdrew in good standings due to personal reasons.  So I am familiar with brick and mortar and distance learning process.

You really expose yourself to being a hater. Are you that upset that the online LLB with ABA LLM may have a few more benefits than a distance learning US degree.  Based on your comments there is something bothering you with the foreign option and if so that is fine just say so, that would be more respectable than just trying to slam it for someone that is interested because it can be done.

As far as knowing someone, yes I've spoken to them but most people who got a degree from XXY school overseas dont go around and saying I got it online or external.  They just say they went  XYZ school. 

I will wait for your negative comment LMAO!

Bottom Line you can take the California Bar and their are a couple LLM programs and some that are online that gear you to take the California bar.

I did my research on California and I was referring to California bar exam only, but I do plan to contact the NY bar examiners. Again, my point is that a person can take the California bar going the foreign distance learning route. However,  I  have spoken to a  couple 2011/2012 graduates from a US LLM program on ground that have LLB degrees from all over the world not just the UK but in  countries that civil law is their law.  Most of these folks were not lawyers in their country.    The students I spoke with are taking the NY bar, however their ABA LLM is a program that is taken on ground only.  Also, I dont know how they obtained their LLB.  I don't plan to take the NY Bar, but I will plan to do my own research as I did with the  California Bar exam egibility.  However, they are several schools that gear their LLM program to NY bar exam but those program have to be taken on ground but there is still that option for someone to go that route.

The point I just want to make  to folks interested in the foreign distance learning route is you can take the California Bar with LLB plus LLM.  My advise is to contact the Bar Examiners in each state that that is of interest.  Don't take my word or anybody on this site.  A lot of comments on here are mostly anti distance learning especially foreign distance learning  and they hate the fact that there are other alternatives to gain admission.  I  got my answers I needed from the California Bar Examiners.   There are LLM programs that specifically  gear their program for people who want to take the California Bar.  I can agree this site makes you think but at the end of  the day, get the information from the California Bar Examiners..  Regardless of what the haters say, you can take the California Bar exam and have a few other options as well.

You can sit for the bar in California with a UK degree LLB whether its online or ground along with ABA LLM or state accredited LLM as long as it has the required California courses.  The bar exam is basically your first year of law courses plus the California Professional Responsibility course.  The LLM in American Legal Sudies  or US Legal Studies all have the first year courses that are tested on the bar exam.

I spoke to the California Bar Examiners and the person I spoke to was the person that wrote the actual rules for the California Bar eligibility to sit for the Cali bar exam.  As long as you have a qualifying law degree that the foreign country recognized along with the ABA LLM or state accredited LLM along with the required courses you will be fine.  The person I spoke to said, they get these questions all the time from people trying to interpret the rules that they wrote.  There are several credentialing agencies that the California Bar examiners allow you to use and the evaluation form is pretty simple and straight forward form.  The option that most would fall under is the law degree a recognized qualifying law degree.  I asked all the questions that were on this forum, the questions that indicated that the California Bar Examiners would look down on.  Bottom line you can sit for the California Bar exam. 

I agree with you of the challenges that one will face going the distance learning route.  In my case, I'm not really concerned, I'm already established in my career, this something I just want to do without interrupting my career.  I hope to be licensed in 2 countries is my goal.  Once, I pass the bar in the United States, I plan to take the QLTT exams to become a solicitor in the UK.   The QLTT allows 22 jurisdictions in the United States to take their exams and California is one of those jurisdictions. Again, getting a legal education is just a goal of mine but I don't want to break the bank or disrupt the progress I've made just to get another degree and the debt that comes with it.

I spoke to the California Bar Examiner on 11/1/2012, the person I spoke with, is the person that wrote the California Bar Eligibilty Rules. Let me repeat, I spoke to the person that wrote the California Bar eligibility rules.  They were very helpful, they went over the requirements, and they walked me through everything regarding eligibility.  I asked would a distance learning llb qualify because it is silent and that it is not mentioned.  They said they wrote the rules and not to get caught up in the rules, they said they have the same conversation all the time with people.  They said no the distance learning llb is not mentioned.  They lead me to the evaluation form online and said that you have to prove your LLB is a first law degree period plus you need  either ABA LLM or a state accredited LLM with the required Califorinia courses.

I took your advice and called the California Bar Examiner and I'm glad I did because I got a chance to speak with the person who wrote the rules, no better person to make clarity.  So, that's all I need to hear, I hope the info I provided will help or encourage others that there are other avenues. As of today, you can have a distance learning LLB from the UK and a online ABA LLM or state accredited school with the required Cali courses, and as long as you can prove that it is a first law degree you will meet the requirements.  Call the California Bar examiners to get clarity that you need. I hope this info can be helpful to someone, because there are a lot of negativity on these boards, seek the knowledge for yourself and follow your dreams, when one door closes another opens.

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