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Unless you have scored 175+s in addition to that 160, a 170 is not going to realistically happen in a week.

As far as holding off until a later date... sadly the decision is going to be based on an honest conversation with yourself, not us.

If you honestly KNOW that you can score 10+ more points within two months, then go for it. Know that these 10 points will be far more difficult than the prior 10. Heck, if you can score over 6 points more (thats 2 standard deviations away from whatever your current average is), then it would be worth it.

If you feel yourself plateauing, that you would be lucky to score another 3 or 4 points by December... then there are two other options. Post-pone until Feb. or June and make sure you stay committed to the cause and apply early next cycle (understanding that you will probably only score a few more points)... OR... go for the test now.

As a side note, 160 is an amazing score. That is the 80th percentile. You have scored higher than 80 percent of college grads. This is an amazing feat! You will have several options with a 160, not to mention money from some schools. Will a 160 get you into Harvard?... probably not (although you never know - maybe your softs are just out of this world and you present them in the perfect way). But if the only reason you are taking the LSAT is to get into Harvard, then you may be taking the test for the wrong reasons.

Good luck my friend. :)

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: September 08, 2013, 11:00:18 PM »
Going from 147 to over 170 is ambitious to say the least. I'm not saying its impossible - but you may find a month to be a little bit of a time crunch. If you truly think you can do it - id consider post-poning the test until February, or even June. If you don't think that is realistic, then take the test when you feel completely ready...

Good luck!

Law School Applications / Re: Law school and engineering undergrad?
« on: September 08, 2013, 10:54:59 AM »
A lot of these questions are, sadly, entirely on your shoulders. I would be skeptical on basing huge decisions like these on anonymous internet posters.

That said, basically every law schools - particularly the T14 - say to follow the major you most enjoy. Augment it with logic, research, writing-based courses if you can, but follow what you are passionate about. If that is engineering, do it. If that is music, do it. Do not follow a path just because of "job security." That may be a legitimate factor in your ultimate decision, however, is a rotten one to argue on your Personal Statement.

I would go over to your school's pre-law advisor to get their perspective. They will be able to offer much more detailed advice on how to navigate this whole thing than any of us.

Good luck!

Law School Applications / Re: Major Study Advice
« on: September 08, 2013, 10:45:37 AM »
Not sure, but here are a few considerations:

1) You entrance will primarily be dependent on your LSAC reported GPA and your LSAT score. Soft factors, such as your major, will have an impact on your file, but not nearly as much as your numbers. I've read that law schools (at least the top schools) give ABOUT 1/3 weight to GPA, 1/3 to LSAT, and 1/3 to personal statement and other soft factors. If your numbers are borderline for a school, it will come down to how your soft factors rank with other applicants.

2) You will have to explain why you switched majors. This is not inherently bad, but note that if you do not explain it well, law schools could take it as a sign that you can't finish what you start, you may not finish law school, and thus you are risky to accept. So, if you do want to switch, have strong and defensible reasons for it.

3) The nice thing about unusual majors is that they are typically under-represented. The scary thing about unusual majors is that they are typically under-represented. Again, it will all depend on how you portray it. What about your coursework puts you in a unique and strong position to study and practice law?

4) If you maintain that GPA and your LSAT score is at or above a school's median... you are gold. If your LSAT is below a median, your only hope is on your soft factors and, more importantly, how you portray them.

Good luck!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: September 08, 2013, 10:21:35 AM »
I'd say you take the test whenever you feel most prepared - no sooner. That will probably be, in terms of practice time, very different for each person. I'm not sure where got their info from, but there are plenty of people - myself included - who have continued to score higher, more consistently with more time. I actually read somewhere that some LSAC rep said he recommends at least 6 months of study.

I spent about 2 months drilling technique/method until I was consistently scoring 180s on un-timed tests. I did not plan that, it just so happened to take me that long to get there. I then took 2-3 months to transition into timed tests and then another 2 months to transition to exact test conditions. By test day, I had taken just about every single test available and did not run out of tests. Remember, you MUST review every single test - in some cases multiple times.

I ended up scoring within my average LSAT PT band - albeit in the lower end of it.

Good luck!

General Board / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: September 05, 2013, 07:16:00 PM »
<3 Julie lots. Cryptic fun indeed.

It happens... but the GPA is a little more fuzzy than the LSAT. The lsat is standardized, thus it is a strong measure of your aptitude to succeed as a 1L in relation to the rest of the applicant pool.

The GPA, on the other hand, is a little more subjective. The GPA will be influenced by the difficulty of coursework, degree, university, grade inflation/deflation, etc.  Therefore, a 3.0 physics major from Harvard is not the same as a 4.0 basket weaving major from some small unknown school that has massive grade inflation.

If you feel that your GPA is not a true indicator of your academic potential, and you have an extremely consice, strong, and legitimate argument for that, I would consider writing a GPA Addendum for schools whose GPA average is above yours.

As a final note, there was a great mock admissions panel that Kaplan recently held. On the panel were the admission deans from several top 10 law schools (harvard, u penn, nyu, etc). They evaluated 4 different fake applicants for entry into a fake law school. The applicant they selected ended up having an LSAT score just under their average and a 2.9 GPA, far from their 3.8 something average GPA. The applicant had just shined so much in every other soft factor, and had taken so many difficult courses to off set that low GPA, that they felt drawn to pick that applicant.

Good luck!!


If you are within any school's GPA/LSAT average (25th to 75th percentile), you have a shot. If you are on the lower end of that average, you need to seriously bring it with your softs (personal statement, LOR, resume, transcripts, courses, work, diversity, etc.). A one point LSAT difference from the 25th percentile shouldn't be a strict cut off, but, again, means you have to bring it that much more else where in your application. Also, remember that there is no real statistical difference within any 3 point LSAT band. So, if a school's average is 161 and you have a 157 - you are basically there.

Good luck!

Law School Applications / Re: Printing LSAC'S LOR Form(urgent)
« on: August 28, 2013, 02:33:00 PM »
Not sure...

If you are legitimately having issues with LSAC's site, contact them directly. Of course, be succinct and cordial.

Good luck!

Yup - just keep at it. Make sure to review your entire tests...

In the weeks before my LSAT, I had a 10 point difference between my bottom and top scores. I ended up scoring about in the middle of that range.

Also note that there is a 2 to 3 point standard deviation on each score. So, if you score a 150, you could have equally scored between 147 and 153. Your full range would probably be 145-155 (two standard deviations out).

Good luck!

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