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« on: March 30, 2014, 12:36:02 PM »
I would highly recommend meeting with a law school advisor at your university. These people will be able to sit down with you, address all of your concerns, and steer you in the right direction.
I would also strongly evaluate the legal profession. Unless you are going to a top top top school (like, say, Columbia or Harvard), the employment prospects and salary expectations are pretty equal to that of a CPA (if not worse). This is not to say the legal profession is bad, but if you have the CPA thing in your pocket and unless you are attending an elite school, the debt you go into for law school reallly has to balance out with your future job AND surpass that of what you would be getting on your current track. Therefore, I would highly recommend looking at the cheapest school possible (or the one that will give you enough scholarships to make it the cheapest) AND in the region you want to live/work in after. I would also look into part time programs, this way you can continue working, gaining experience, and not going into debt.
So in sum..
1) Meet with a law school advisor
2) Strongly compare your current career v. future legal career (realistically)
3) If you aren't going to a top school (and with a 2.5, it is sadly unlikely), research the cheapest schools in the regions you want to work in.
4) Also research part time schools in the region you want to work in.
« on: March 29, 2014, 04:50:26 PM »
I have no idea. You will have to ask and find out. But I would speculate they won't budge. Both schools are ranked evenly, cost the same, and are in similar regions. Further, Stetson is not a peer school with either FSU or UF. Their scholarship will have little weight if you bring it to them - particularly given that those are higher ranked schools and will cost the same. So, you don't really have any bargaining power here. The only legitimate pull you have to get more money right now is with Stetson and other lower ranked schools. There's no reason Stetson wouldn't up their offer. And if they don't, then your decision should be pretty easy.
That said, again, I still encourage you to at least try in a respectful, courteous tone. You never know - maybe FSU/UF really like you. But, as you said, you are already in a good position no matter what happens.
As for wanting to work specifically in St. Pete... Look up various law firms/places you would like to work in there. Find where those people went to law school. If you see that the majority of them went to FSU over UF, that may help you in your decision. In the end, though, I would speculate both schools would get you where you want to go about equally well. You could always call up the admissions dpt. at both FSU and UF and let them know your situation. That you are torn between FSU and UF, want to work somewhere near St. Pete, etc. They may shed light and offer perspectives that none of us have. As of right now, you are in a position of considerable power. These schools want you to matriculate, if not, it is going to (somewhat) hurt them (sorta). So, let the courting begin!
Congrats and good luck!
« on: March 29, 2014, 11:38:06 AM »
Cardozo COA: $235kish.
Cardozo COA after scholarship: $150kish
Temple COA: $130kish
Temple COA after scholarship: $100kish
That means the difference is about $50kish. Not that this is an insignificant figure, but it is, in the long term, workable. I do strongly believe you can negotiate for more money out of Cardozo. Even if you don't get any more, though, since you want to work in NY, Cardozo is the place to go given your current situation.
« on: March 29, 2014, 11:23:51 AM »
Work experience certainly is a soft boost, but a minimal one. I highly doubt that 2 years of minor paralegal work will significantly offset a low GPA. If the main reason you are wanting to take a few years off is just in the hopes that it will help you out in law school apps, I would reconsider. If I were you, I would finish your degree as strongly as possible (upward grade trend is also a soft boost). I would then invest as much time as possible into studying for the LSAT, and write phenominal essays/addendums. Apply as soon as possible, and see what comes of it. If you don't get in to the schools you want right away, continue your work pursuits and apply the following year.
Now, if you want to work as a paralegal for other reasons, then ok. Like, if your personal situation for the next few years requires you to work full time and not go to school. Or if you are not 100% sure of the legal field and want to see if you like it... things like that.
« on: March 29, 2014, 11:15:05 AM »
Just be upfront with them. They are expecting applicants to negotiate. Don't be rude about it.. like "WTF?! Why didn't you give me more money!?!?" Just tell them your situation..
"I really like your school because of x,y,z. You offered me X$, making your COA Y$. This other school COA is Z$. This other school offers me all of this, making me more torn in my decision. I'm hoping I qualify for more money to offset these considerations. Thank you so much and your school is amazing."
Or something like that...
« on: March 27, 2014, 06:51:14 PM »
Also, have you negotiated with the schools for $? For example, you could make a strong case to stetson for way more money using FSU's offer, even with no schoalrships from them. As I pointed out, with your scholarship, Stetson is the same cost. However, FSU is faaarr stronger than Stetson in almost every way. You could probably squeeze out serious cash out of them.
« on: March 27, 2014, 06:45:17 PM »
Just off of this info., I'd personally would do FSU. The end costs will approximately be the same.
FSU total cost of attendance = 120kish. Stetson total COA = 180kish. Stetson COA after your scholarship = 120kish.
FSU > Stetson, especially in Florida.
Unless UM offers you significant money AND you know you want to live in Miami, I'd pick FSU over it. I'd turn down Stetson and Barry.
Now, UF and FSU are pretty much equal. UF is a little cheaper and has a little more pull in southern/eastern florida. FSU is a little more expensive, but has the obvious benefit of being in the state capital and will help you out for jobs in the gulf.
In sum, I would be torn between FSU and UF. If you don't really care about the region of Florida you end up working in, I would go to the one that is cheaper. You should also visit the schools. You may find that the "vibe" of the more expensive is far worth the extra cash.
« on: March 25, 2014, 12:37:29 AM »
Yikes... well, thats a difference. I honestly have no idea... I would defer to the judgement of others on this one.
Thats said, if I were forced to pick one or the other just on these facts, I would probably go with UMinn. But I may be wrong.
« on: March 16, 2014, 10:56:48 AM »
Maintain you are amazing. You say you don't know anything about these law schools, but you comment any way.
« on: March 15, 2014, 10:45:25 AM »
When evaluating schools...http://www.lawschooltransparency.comhttp://www.lawschoolpredictor.com
1) Scholarship money in of itself is not enough information. You have to deduct that from the total cost of attendance, creating your effective COA. The effective COA is what you want to compare. ex: school A gives you 100k while school B gives you 25 k. School A sounds amazing right now... however, if school A COA is 250k and school B COA is 50k, school B is 125k cheaper than school A.
2) General employment stats are also not enough information to base a decision on. You need to find out what % of grads are a) finding work in the region you want to work in; and b) finding work in the legal sector you want to work in. It is also beneficial to factor in information like total full-time long term % employed, underemployed, un-employed and still seeking work, % that snag clerkships, business work, advanced degrees, biglaw, public interest, etc. You may find that the "lesser" school is nominally the same as the "better" school.
3) You also want to compare realistic
salary expectations for each school given the legal sector and region you want to work in. Also keep in mind any loan repayment programs that the schools may offer you.
4) It may also be beneficial to compare a realistic projection of how well you will do in the law school (class rank). Law schools are, to some extent, doing this already when evaluating your file. The LSAT and GPA are strong predictors for your performance as a 1L. You should take advantage of this as well. Check out law school predictor. You can find out the % of ppl that are at or below your LSAT/GPA combo. This is a loose
prediction for your class rank. Also, as the LSAT has a 3 point standard deviation, input your upper and lower lsat band. Do the same for your GPA. You can then find out where you are under a best case and worst case scenario, and then expect to be somewhere in between.
5) Also compare things like environment, grading policies/curves, program concentrations, campus offering, network, etc.
6) You should then use all of this information to project a worst, best, and realistic case scenario for yourself at each school after you graduate. You want to find out how long it would take you to get out of your debt at either school.
So to answer your question, you want to go to the school that will satisfy your realistic goals while offering you a manageable debt load. You may find that both schools will get you this goal, however, the lower ranked one will allow you to get out of debt far quicker. Likewise, perhaps the higher ranked school offers you the ability to pay back the higher debt far quicker, and so maybe thatís the better option?
In the end, you need to do a lot more homework. Have realistic expectations, which requires you to see the entire picture, not just a number on US News Ranking.
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