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The school looks good, but what about having to memorize two justice systems to take a state's bar exam?

Remember, most of our common law came from England.  The experience I had at the University of London was very thorough, from the history of the legal system in England, the different levels of courts and how they work, and lots of free legal references online, to how to argue your case with practical wisdom.  The problems I had with their program were the requirements to memorize case citings verbatum (aside from knowing the case content) and only one exam at the end of the year (i.e. no homework, midterms, or other assessments) to decide your fate for the year - ridiculous!  The grading of the exams were very subjective where the essay required the student to express a lot of his or her own opinion, but the grader grades your opinion???

I also could only use a registered US college (registered with U of L) to go take my exams, over two hours driving one way, not very convenient as there are attorneys, judges, and other colleges nearby that could have been used for proctors.  Maybe I'm whining too much because I put a lot of time into the studies only to walk away at the end of the year with failing marks, which U of L has some expectation of those results and that's why they allow you to keep extending, but only to go through the same system again the following year!  I suggested taking a look at Northumbria, because they may be different in their approach to legal education.  By the way, the costs for either college is very, very, reasonable, about $2800 US dollars per year.

You get a good taste of the European Convention on Human Rights, which is the "constitution like" document for all of their member countries, which has helped their citizens protect their freedoms similar to our constitution but not as Christian based as our US Constitution.  Remember I posted a link on my other topic I started "Helpful Online Law Learning Resources - Free!," which takes you to the European Court of Human Rights website, with video recorded cases you can watch oral arguments.  It's good exposure for any serious student of law to see what another large free world justice system is doing.

From what I have read (you can google it or look at what you posted), most of the U of L graduates take an LLM program here in the USA before sitting for the Bar, but they don't have to in some states, as long as your LLB from a common law country qualified you to become a lawyer in that respective country.  I would say that a Bar Exam Prep Course would suffice for those LLB graduates from UK/England and similar common law countries.

It would be nice to see responses from students that actually were successful at U of L, Northumbria, or any other foreign online law program!

I found this school, University of South Africa, several years ago, but was hesitant to try this school because of their bad economy and rumors of riots.  The application I sent them took over one month, and I could not get anyone to correspond with me through email.  They are a common law country, which is what you need to be aware of when taking law courses from other countries, as most of our states will require foreign law study to be from common law countries.

Their tuition is very reasonable, but I didn't want to take a chance at getting a bad experience.  I will really appreciate hearing from anyone who has taken UNISA's LLB program.  Here is their website   

If you had a bad experience at the University of London (External Degree Program) as I did, you may want to explore and research one of their competitors in England, Northumbria University.  Totally distance and online legal education leading to a LLB which is equivalent to our JD.  You will notice in the chart provided by "passaroa25" topic name "Comprehensive Guide to Bar Admission Requirements," foreign law school graduates are mentioned and can sit for some of the States' bar exams. 

The LLB program costs at Northumbria are very reasonable at 3900 british pounds (approx. $6300) for the entire four years.  Here is the link

Since APU is regionally accredited, I don't think the issue will be the online degree if you can get a high score on your LSAT.  Are you sure you want to pour all that money into a traditional high powered law school, that brings no guarantee of high income in return after graduating and passing the bar?

Just a caveat.  Make sure to scroll down further below the chart to get the more detailed explanations of each state as to what they further require.

This is great!  I actually had this downloaded before and saved, but have not looked at it in a while.  It should clear up some of the confusion and concerns about which state allows what for us non-ABA law students.  Thanks again!

Hi Everybody,

Did you all happen to notice that a new distance learning law school has come into existence?  If you go to the link I provided in the other post for online and distance learning law schools registered on the California Bar website or just go straight to this link  you will see that this Cal Bar Registered law school just started in 2011.  Tuition is reasonable (around $3000 per year), about the same as Northwestern California University School of Law where I went and was planning to return after I pass the Baby Bar.  Take a look and tell me what you think about it!

Hi Fellow Distance Law Students in California,

Remember you can sign up for up to three law sections of the California Bar FREE as students.  Think about what legal practice you are interested in and what you may specialize in after you pass the bar.  Personally, I picked Business Law, Trusts and Estates Law, and Taxation Law because of my background in Financial and Estate Planning, and Tax Accounting.

Here is the link: 

General Board / Re: Financial Aid?
« on: June 18, 2011, 09:24:03 PM »
How do you get aid other than loans that you have to pay back? Do they even offer grants for law school? I filled out my financial aid papers and they said once you complete undergraduate, you are inelligible for grants. And I can't find any scholarships for law school. I need money to pay for this education. And I wanna have the foresight to not depend purely on loans. I don't wanna go to law school only to be in debt my whole life.

You may want to check out the Distance or Online Law School options posted under the Distance Learning Board.  However, be aware of all the pros and cons.  It's not for everybody, but I have enjoyed the experience with NWCU School of Law.  I am a professional Financial and Tax Adviser and don't need the prestige or the debt of a traditional law school name as attorney work will compliment my existing work.   

I went to Mercer Law School for a year and had to leave because I only got one "A".  I needed to have all As to keep a scholarship.  I did California Souther School of Law for a year.  I got a 60 on the FYLSE.     Right now I'm studying at Mid-Atlantic School of Law.  That school uses Gilberts Outline Series.  But,  I have been in chapter one of civil procedure for several months now because the Gilberts Outline on Civil Procedure cites over 1000 cases.  Some of those cases, like the Pennoyer case, are each over 15 pages long.  Yes, I could just read the Outline and send my summary in.  But, my goal is to being a walking encyclopedia of case law.  I'll take the FYLSE again in a couple of years.

My hats off to you!  You have a lot more patience with the legal education system than I have.  Hope it all goes well for you.  I did two years with NWCU, but did not pass the Baby Bar the first attempt.  I then spent a year with the University of London External Degree Program which was too time consuming for a full-time professional like myself with a family.  I did not like U of L's assessment of only giving one final exam for each subject at the end of the year and that's what your future hangs on.  But I did like NWCU, it's just that they don't allow you to continue your studies unless you pass the Baby Bar first.  But I got two years finished and got a B.S. in Law out of it, and I would still recommend their school.  I hope to take the Baby Bar second attempt in October, and I have to see what my 51 year old slow brain can do - with God's help!  If I pass, I will want to re-enroll with NWCU.

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