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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Syracuse
« on: May 08, 2007, 02:34:26 PM »
I saw this thread, and thought I'd reply since I was in somewhat the same situation last year - I was debating between Villanova and Syracuse with about half a scholarship. I ended up going the Nova route because everyone stressed that its superior reputation and location was worth the extra money. Personally, I'm not sure if I made the right or wrong decision.

I have a friend who is graduating Syrcause, and he wasn't exactly #1 in his class, yet he got a $50,000 ADA job offer (albeit in upstate NY). He had to pay his own way, though for the tuition (his parents paid for his apartment), so he does complain about the debt @ $35,000 per year. I also went to an accepted students event in DC last year, and while I'm sure they only bring their most successful students along, all of the student reps. were pursuing great job options - I think one girl was working for an international law firm and had a summer associate position in Paris! From what it looks like, if you're in the top 10% of your class, you're pretty much in the same spot you'd be in if you were in the top 10% at some of the better schools - My friend noted that he knew some people who received six figure jobs offers from NYC firms while there are plenty of grads from 2nd tier NYC schools who are forced to take NYC document review jobs.

Also, with the scholarship, even if you don't end up in the top tier ranks of your school, you'll be in a much better financial position to take a small law job that pays $50k or less and then work your way up. One final thing I liked about the school is the ability to complete a number of different masters degrees (some in the usual three years), which can also enhance your job options.

That said, I definitely wouldn't go to Syracuse without a scholarship. It's just too much money with too few lucrative post-graduation options to make it worth the risk. Syracuse also has a curve which forces 5% of each individual class (i.e. civ pro, torts, etc.) to fall under a C, meaning they need to retake the class. This leads a number of people to leave after the 1L year even if they don't technically fail out. Furthermore, I'm pretty glad I don't have to live in Syracuse.

In the end, I think I'll probably have better job options coming out of Villanova with the ability to work anywhere from Boston to DC, and I rather have the Philly area as a networking hub than upstate NY. However, there are times I wish I was attending school at Syracuse's nicer facilities, didn't have any significant debt to worry about, and was able to pick up an MA in economics, which I consider to be far more interesting than law.

Good luck.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Info about Villanova
« on: April 18, 2007, 03:20:06 PM »
Here's some info based on a few questions somebody PMed me:

Mainline: Very safe and affluent area - Unfortunately, because the old money types don't want their residential neigborhoods disrupted, the number of commercial outlets are somewhat limited and all of them are pretty much wedged into (fairly tacky) shopping centers up and down Lancaster Avenue. For a greater variety of restaurants, shops, etc. you need to head toward King of Prussia, Springfield, or Philly.

Auto: A car isn't absolutely necessary, but I'd HIGHLY recommend one. There is a SEPTA (pulic transit line) that does run through the area (and into Philly), but the stations are a distance away from most of the area apartments. The Villanova station is right next to the school, however. Unless you live in Philly (and want to deal with the commute), getting groceries, etc. is going to be a hassle without a car.

Apartments: The whole area is really safe. The three "R" apartments are close by and have a lot of law students. Radnor, Radwyn, and Radcliff. The former has condos for rent and is really close to the school. The latter two are garden style (apartments open up to the outside instead of an inside hallway).

Facilities: I can't lie - The buidling is old and ugly. The good news is they are building a new building which should be ready by your 3L year. They've already partially contructed a new parking garage which should be ready next year.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Info about Villanova
« on: April 18, 2007, 02:46:38 PM »
Hey everyone - I'm currently a 1L at Villanova. Even though I should be studying right now for contracts, I'd be happy to answer any of your questions as I have time. Feel free to PM as well. I'm kind of paranoid, so I'd rather not answer anything too specific (where I live, class rank, my secton, etc.), but I'll be happy to entertain any other inquiries.

Also, I know somebody mentioned visiting next Friday - That's a bad idea since we have finals then. Unless, you want to see a bunch of freaked out 1l's stuffed into classrooms furiously typing, I'd try to visit earlier. The last day of classes is next Tuesday.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GMU Waitlist
« on: August 19, 2006, 08:37:07 PM »
I was pulling for you Listless - I wish they would have let me forward my offer to you. You still might have a chance, though. A friend of mine at Mason told me that last year a few people dropped out of the PT program during the first week. That's a financial loss for them, so you might want to let them know that you'd still be willing to accept a seat after classes starts if they'll permit it.

I posted this on the GMU thread, but it's relevant to this topic as well - I got the call from Mason, and their orientation is on Friday, so there's still some hope. Unfortunately for me, it's just too late in the process for me to rearrange my life - Tough break, but I guess I can say that I did get in

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GMU Waitlist
« on: August 14, 2006, 08:46:25 PM »
I got the call today, but I've already moved my stuff and prepared to attend Villanova, so I had to decline. I think Mason is great, but not so great that I'd have to find a new apartment in expensive NoVA, try to back out of my new PA lease, and deal with the nightmare of cancelling my loans and trying securing loans for Mason.

Anyway, best a luck to you guys - I hope one of you gets the seat that was offered to me.

I'm impressed by those who can hold out this long (and especially those who are waiting it out until the END of August!) I had to throw in the towel last week, and I was under the impression that I had pretty much gone the distance.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: deferal?
« on: August 03, 2006, 07:04:00 PM »
If you don't get into the school you want, you can accept at a law school, defer for a year, and then reapply to other schools (assuming that, as a condition of deferral, you didn't have to swear you wouldn't do that).  You may get into a better school the second time around if you've gotten better LORs, better essays, better LSATs, more experience, etc.  Which means you could also get some scholarship money I guess.  But I think a lot of schools won't let you apply elsewhere while you're on deferral.  That's the best I can come up with.  Does anyone have personal experience with this?

He might have been referring to some of the schools that are "bribing" students to defer for a year in order to maintain a more manageable class size. I think Notre Dame was offering big bucks to those who were willing to wait a year to enroll.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GMU Waitlist
« on: August 01, 2006, 11:27:03 AM »
Sadly, it seems like the PT program is stationary as well. Looks like it was close, but no cigar for us.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GMU Waitlist
« on: July 31, 2006, 12:47:45 PM »
I just called GMU.The class for the full time JD for 2006 is set, and it seems unlikely that any more will be admitted off the waitlist. Anyway Lawnecon, good luck to you.

Sorry to hear that - Though, the impression I did get was that a FT seat would be unlikely. I hope the PT program has a few open spots, but since I haven't received a call, I don't think it's looking too good on that front either. Because I just contacted them late last week, I'll give it day before I call to see what the deal looks like for those interested in the PT program.

Best of luck at whichever school you're heading to as well.

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