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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Villnova vs. Penn State
« on: May 25, 2007, 12:54:59 PM »
Hmm, I'm pretty debt adverse - or least I am now that I have a year of law school under my belt. I'd have to say I'd be pretty tempted by the lower COL and scholarship - Maybe I should have applied to Penn State!

Anyway, I do think there's a difference - There's a pretty strong consensus that after UPenn (and of course the rest of the T14), Nova/Temple/Camden are all pretty much equals when it comes to landing jobs in Philly, particularly Biglaw jobs. Penn State isn't really in the same running. Villanova does seem to have some pull in markets outside of Philly, however - About a 1/3rd of the class tends to work out of state after graduation with a good number in NYC, Boston, and the DC area. If you want Biglaw particularly out of state, Nova may be the better choice. However, like I said in the other post, you'll still need top 10-20% for to get anywhere in fall OCI with the big firms.

If you want to work at a smaller firm and you are willing to put in the effort and travel to find such a job in the market that you desire, then it might be a wise move to take the money.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tell me about Villanova
« on: May 23, 2007, 05:48:21 PM »
It really comes down to whether you'd prefer to take the train or drive - I think most people drive - at least that's my preference. Villanova, Rosement, Bryn Mawr, etc. are all very small and right next to each other - They're all part of a larger township called Radnor.

I notice all or most of the popular housing is in Bryn Mawr (Radnor is in Rosemont), not sure how much of a difference it makes. Do students take the train to school or just drive? For example Home Properties is "not a short walk" from the R5, whereas the Radwyn is...does this REALLY make a difference?


Radnor, Radwyn, Radcliff house tend to be the big three - Radnor allows pets on the first three floors. Home Properties of Bryn Mawr and Home Properties of Devon are also popular.

Some tips: Radnor seems to be the only typical high rise apartment building - though you're actually renting somebody's condo via a real estate agent. Don't worry, the only reason they own the apartment is to rent it out for profit.

Radcliff and Radwyn are more "garden style" apartment buildings where your door opens up directly to the outside. Radcliff forces you to use their internet/cable service, which I've heard is pretty bad (i.e. you can't use Comcast or Verizon).

Home Properties of Bryn Mawr rents to undegrads - The other places do not.

You can get good deals if you rent a room or a private apartment attached to somebody's house - Of course, it depends on what level of privacy you want.

You should be okay up until July if you want to wait to rent, but after that, the pickings get slim and you may have to live in King of Prussia or somewhere outside of the area and commute a little bit more.



What housing should law students take or usually take? Do you know if any place allows pets?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tell me about Villanova
« on: May 23, 2007, 04:54:12 PM »
For any potentional Villanovans, here's a brief update about registration. I know at some schools, it's hard to get the courses you want. With the exception of a few 3L courses that are very popular like advance trial advocacy courses, some clinics, and sports law, getting the courses you want isn't a problem. As a 2L, you're not going to be eligibile for those courses anyway. I had no problem getting all of the courses/sections/times that I wanted.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tell me about Villanova
« on: May 23, 2007, 04:50:24 PM »
Thanks lawneocon, you're a fantastic help! Do you suggest one lives in the main "law school" housings/buildings? I'm looking all over, especially for roommates. In all honesty, privacy is not that important to me, I like people, I've enjoyed my college roommates and in i enjoy being around other people in general. That being said, thru roommate searches I've found people and places near the area, but I'm not sure its wise for me to live in a place that may not be inhabited by law school peers. What say you?


What housing should law students take or usually take? Do you know if any place allows pets?
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A number of the buildings that I mentioned are pretty close to the law school - If you're the type of person who wants to commute back and forth a lot, I'd say it's probably best to go for one of them - Radnor House is the closest. Overall, you should find a place which will help you get the most studying done. If having roommates around is going to force you to get out to the library instead of fooling around at your apartment, then go for it. If you think you're just going to socialize too much (especially if your roommates don't have the same workload as law students), then stay away.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tell me about Villanova
« on: May 21, 2007, 06:52:58 AM »
Radnor, Radwyn, Radcliff house tend to be the big three - Radnor allows pets on the first three floors. Home Properties of Bryn Mawr and Home Properties of Devon are also popular.

Some tips: Radnor seems to be the only typical high rise apartment building - though you're actually renting somebody's condo via a real estate agent. Don't worry, the only reason they own the apartment is to rent it out for profit.

Radcliff and Radwyn are more "garden style" apartment buildings where your door opens up directly to the outside. Radcliff forces you to use their internet/cable service, which I've heard is pretty bad (i.e. you can't use Comcast or Verizon).

Home Properties of Bryn Mawr rents to undegrads - The other places do not.

You can get good deals if you rent a room or a private apartment attached to somebody's house - Of course, it depends on what level of privacy you want.

You should be okay up until July if you want to wait to rent, but after that, the pickings get slim and you may have to live in King of Prussia or somewhere outside of the area and commute a little bit more.



What housing should law students take or usually take? Do you know if any place allows pets?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: W&L vs. GMU
« on: May 18, 2007, 07:38:32 AM »
I'm not trying to be snide, I'm just saying that we shouldn't assume that a. he is paying a low cost for GMU (even if he currently resides in Northern Virginia does not mean he is a Virginia in-state resident) or b. that he doesn't have any scholarship money at W&L (I'm sure they don't give too much scholarship money out to those who were waitlisted, but it's possible). Sorry if it came off as snide though, that was not my intention.

Yeah, it's hard to tell one's tone through online posts. I guess it's just because people are sometimes quick to slam each other on this board that I misinterpreted your response. Anyway, maybe I should have added a condition to my advice (that he actually has to be a resident of VA, etc.); however, I figured the OP would have realized that this was implied by my statement.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: W&L vs. GMU
« on: May 18, 2007, 12:29:31 AM »
Why don't we try to find out from the OP what their financial situation is (including scholarships from both schools, how much both schools will end up costing) before we assume how much they would be paying for each school.

Well, he said he lived in N. Virginia, and I think he mentioned that he was accepted off of the WL (which probably means little if any scholarship money) for W&L. My advice was pretty clearly predicated on the assumption that there would be a large disparity in cost between the two schools. I'm sure the OP would recognize that this advice isn't applicable if the disparity is eliminated or mitigated by other financial considerations. I apologize if I'm misconstruing your tone, but I don't think there's any need to be snide. It's not like I'm attacking W&L.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: W&L vs. GMU
« on: May 17, 2007, 10:43:28 PM »
One thing you might want to keep in mind - though I'd be surprised if you weren't already aware of this - is that as a resident of Virginia, GMU is pretty cheap (I think under $15k a year). I'd assume WL is closer to $30k. Unless you have any reason to believe you're going to need a degree with a bit more mobility, I think the $45k in cost savings over three years is well worth going down a few spots in the rankings.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Syracuse
« on: May 16, 2007, 02:21:14 PM »

However, at $35k a year, the tuition (without a scholarship) is probably too high.

It's $42,000 a year now!!!  :o


Yikes! Hey, I'm not one for lower tier bashing - I'm not exactly at Harvard myself - but I think somebody really has to ask themselves if paying that kind of money per year (especially when tuition will likely increase yet again) is really worth it for a third tier degree.

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yessss!! a Subway franchise...the instant road to riches, why oh why did I even bother wasting four years in college!?

As far as L2L goes, it's always helpful to hear advice from students at the school, it's just he whines an awful lot.

College can dramatically improve your earning power. A tier 2 law school? Not so much. The average starting salary out of my university was higher than the average tier 2 law school salary.


Uh, didn't you just post statistics that put the average starting salary at Loyola at $70,000 for the private sector and about $55,000 as the average starting salary for the public sector? Not only is Loyola a tier two school, but it seems to be the tier two school towards which you have the most antipathy.

Maybe you went to an Ivy League school or a great undergrad B-school, but I don't think most college grads this spring will be looking forward to salaries in the mid-50's let alone anywhere near $70k. Plenty of liberal arts majors at non-elite schools will be lucky if they're making $30,000 a year.

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