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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Law Links and Polls (duh)
« on: March 17, 2008, 09:26:50 AM »
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/16/na-law-schools-add-job-training-to-theory-heavy-cu/?news-nationworld

Law Schools Add Job Training To Theory-Heavy Curriculum

By JUSTIN POPE

The Associated Press

Published: March 16, 2008

Medical students learn the ropes on real patients during hospital rounds. Student journalists practice by writing stories. But if learning-by-doing seems an obvious way to master a profession, one corner of higher education has largely avoided it: law schools.

Critics say the country's 200 accredited law schools are guilty of building some of academia's tallest ivory towers, where students learn to "think like lawyers" but get little preparation for what lawyers actually do.

The result: a rising chorus of complaints from employers that even after three years of school (and $150,000 or more in tuition), the nation's 50,000 annual law school graduates still need to be trained on the job.

A number of prominent law schools, including Harvard and Stanford, have responded lately by beginning to shake up how they teach. Now, a small but respected law school in Virginia, Washington & Lee University, is planning even more fundamental changes likely to attract widespread notice in the legal community.

The school is announcing plans to have students spend their final year - a time for breezy classes and little hard work at many schools - in "practicum" courses, where they will imitate real-world lawyering every step of the way.

Prestige Tied To Theoretical Study

It works like this: Typically, in a business law class, for example, students work through a hefty book where they study a range of cases. Students might follow the full range of legal problems that would typically come before a single company - antitrust, real estate, consumer protection and international law. The classes would still largely be taught on campus, perhaps by a professor along with a visiting practicing lawyer.

"I think that prestige within the world of law schools became tied exclusively to the intellectual, theoretical side of legal study," Washington & Lee law dean Rodney Smolla said. "That became the currency by which law professors judged one another."

Law schools have fallen short in helping the young "learning to absorb the complicated facts that a client presents them with," Smolla said.

Some law schools whose professors don't necessarily publish the most articles or have the most prestige, including the City University of New York and the Massachusetts School of Law, have been focused on practical lawyering for years.

Last year, a report by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching fueled the debate by arguing the traditional approach has left the "impression that lawyers are more like competitive scholars than attorneys engaged with the problems of clients."

Students are well taught in boiling down facts and applying the law. But most cases are messy, and students don't learn to navigate complex ethical and social issues, or work together to solve problems.

The Carnegie report has prompted several conferences to talk about reform. At Harvard, where the first modern law school curriculum was laid out in 1872, a committee surveyed alumni about their professional experiences, leading to changes including more emphasis on regulatory and international law.

Stanford has emphasized interdisciplinary study, and both are giving students more opportunities for clinical practice. Detroit Mercy School of Law has begun requiring courses that simulate work in a large law firm.

One Downside For Students

At Washington & Lee, Robin Fretwell Wilson has begun teaching a pilot class in family law along the lines of the new model and said the differences are substantial. It's an entirely different approach that focuses on navigating the intricacies of an actual prenuptial agreement, for example, and the questions students will need to understand - like what it really means when an agreement calls for "best" efforts instead of "reasonable" ones.

For students at Washington & Lee, which will phase in the changes over the next few years, the downside could be the end of the famously halcyon third year. Typically, students take small, contemplative classes and focus mostly on playing softball and bar-hopping.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Univ. of Miami anyone?
« on: March 08, 2008, 11:15:05 PM »
so, for those in Miami now, do you find it worth the cost?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: The Texas Job Market
« on: March 03, 2008, 05:07:18 PM »
http://www.texasbar.com/template.cfm?section=reports

didnt look back thru the thread, but some good data here...

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: seckshul frustration roll call
« on: March 03, 2008, 08:46:10 AM »


ahhhhh, the Bahamas...    ;D

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Unions
« on: February 12, 2008, 08:59:55 AM »

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Post cool Vids
« on: February 07, 2008, 10:19:53 PM »

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: post your cool links
« on: February 06, 2008, 10:14:51 PM »
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/index3.html?

when ordinary smileys wont do...


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General Off-Topic Board / Re: My Thoughts/Rants - Poll: Morals
« on: January 31, 2008, 05:55:04 PM »

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