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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UF 3L - Will Answer Questions
« on: February 01, 2009, 12:33:45 PM »

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware I was misleading. Let me be clear- considering that T14(!) schools are competing with each other to move their OCI dates as far forward ass possible, and BigLaw firms are yanking offers, I thought people were aware that this is the worst economic climate possible for current entering lawyers. There are a few points to make:

1. If you are in-state, your cost of attendance is going to 1/4 that of going to a private school; less, if you get a scholarship. The COLA for Gainesville is great. You can graduate from this place with much less debt if you either in-state or get your ducks in a row to get in-state for your 2d and 3d years.

2. The economy will (hopefully) improve by the time the current group of applicants matriculates.

That said, it's tough out there. Law Review people are still getting clerkships and BigLaw jobs. The state cutbacks have lessened the number of positions that are traditionally available (prosecutor, PD etc.). The people at the bottom half of the class, especially the 'floaters' (those who weren't sure what they wanted to do and haven't really worried about employment) are really suffering. I have many classmates who have no idea what they'll be doing next year, and the number is much, much higher than last year.

Your prospects at UF are better than at any other school in Florida, but, like everywhere else, we are seeing the deleterious effects the current economic downturn has on the legal market. I have no crystal ball. I don't know when it will improve. My advice has always been the same- if you can go to a T14, do it. While I, and some friends of mine, chose UF for tuition/family reasons over T14 schools, I wouldn't recommend it since you don't know what will happen with that one bad exam your first year.

Don't pepper spray me, bro.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: UF 3L - Will Answer Questions
« on: January 30, 2009, 09:17:37 AM »
Let me post an addendum that may give you more hope and be more helpful:

UF (like most law schools) primarily relies on a matrix. IOW, the vast majority of applications are either automatic admissions or rejections. How does this work?

If you have a 175/4.0, you will be admitted. There will be a cursory look at the rest of your application. If, for example, your LORs say things like "For the love of god, this person should never be a lawyer- he kills cats in his spare time," then you'll get dinged. If the person submitted an personal statement with the grammatical sensibilities of an e.e. cummings poem, he'll get dinged. If the person submits a video shoot of himself in a mankini in lieu of a personal statement, he'll get dinged. Otherwise, they're golden.

On the opposite side, if you have a 150/2.8, you'll get dinged. If you have a LOR from Tim Tebow, that may change things. Otherwise, tough noogies.

If you're on the fence, though, you're put in a poor where the intangibles make a difference. One advantage of being a non-trad is that it helps 'cure' a bad UGPA. Great work experience means that your UGPA did not predict real world performance. So if you are truly on the fence, your intangibles will help.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: UF 3L - Will Answer Questions
« on: January 29, 2009, 07:27:33 PM »
This is probably not what you want to hear, but:

1. Don't sweat the LOR. Unless it's from Tim Tebow, it's not going to make your admission.

2. There is no home-town discount. Nada. Not officially, not unofficially.

3. The non-trad will help you slightly if GPA is why you are a reach (work experience can cure some GPA problems); it will hurt you slightly if LSAT is why you are a reach.

4. The softs/resume will help (because you're a non-trad) but it's primarily a numbers game.

Hope this is useful!

General Board / Re: What has the biggest impact on 1L grades?
« on: January 19, 2009, 12:15:57 PM »
The key to successful exam taking is quite simple, and known to only a select few.

Before the exam, you must (MUST) select a rather uncommon word or phrase, and during the exam you must work it into at least three separate answers.

For example, my first year I selected the following words:
cajones (Torts), hootenanny (CrimLaw), tomfoolery (contracts), hullabaloo (conlaw)

You second year, you should be selecting phrases:
cellar door (Advanced Con Law: Takings and Time Travel), assistant crack ho (Gender and the Law), There can be only one! (corporations), Bureau of Fisheries and Whoremongering (Federal Jurisdiction)

Your third year, you should be comfortable enough to simply make up words and phrases, for example:
Hugemongous, Fantabulous, Slithy, Lickenmeecrak, Dodecahedral Privity, Stare Recidivism, Lex Loci Delicious, Quasar In Rem, Personality Jurisdiction, The CheeseBurger Court, and so on.

This is, in fact, what professors look for, and how to attain an A in each class. And now you know.

General Board / Re: So what now
« on: January 15, 2009, 01:22:26 PM »

Your best bet, given those constraints, is to be on the lookout for small firms that circulate the offers. I think this is a bad plan for the the following two reasons:

1. I'm familiar with the people who have done this in the past, and they have generally had better credentials than yours. Perhaps you have some intangibles I am unaware of, but the competition is always severe, and there are fewer of those positions available right now. A local Gainesville firm, offering $10/hour, is only offering to 2Ls on law review, to give you an idea of how competitive it is.

2. Some of those positions with really small firms that might be within your grasp are available because they would like you to *ahem* use your access to Westlaw/Lexis.

Anyway, the most important thing for you is to concentrate on your 2L summer. It's worth the hit in money (if you can afford it) to take a good externship, esp. one of the clerkships offered, since it will give you the connections and resume to help you in your search during your 2L summer. And that is the employment that will matter. If you need the money, see if you can hook on for a position with a professor as an RA or start networking to see if you can land something in house (CSX in Jax usually has a position or two, for example). Good luck.

Oh- the single most important thing you can do? Stop worrying about your 1L summer job, and figure out why you did so poorly last semester. Then fix it. That will help you more than anything else.

Let me close with the following:

Me: "Hello, Necro"

Necro: "Hi, Loki. Thanks for coming. Now we all know that my current grades have left me  fearful of what's in store. Loki, do you see any light at the end of the tunnel?"

Loki: "Well there was a light, but it's broken and somebody needs to crawl down to the end of that tunnel and fix it."

Necro: "OK, well that doesn't sound very promising."

Loki: "It's not. You need to fix it! I've been a law student for three years and I've never seen it this out of control! You need to clamp it down and fix it! When I wake up tomorrow morning it better be fixed!"

Necro: "But how do I go about fixing it? Specifically?"

Loki: "Take it one step at a time. Identify the problem. Fix it. Identify another problem. Fix it! Repeat as necessary until it is all fixed!"

Necro: "You keep saying fix it, but how?"

Loki: "Fix it!"

Necro: "Fix what?"

Loki:"It! It needs to be fixed! Now!"

Necro: "Any final words although I think I know what they're gonna be?"

Loki:"Oh yeah? What do you think I'm gonna say Necro?"

Necro: "I don't know probably fix..."

Loki: "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!"

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: enough spaghetti for everyone
« on: January 14, 2009, 10:47:20 PM »
Small history lesson that might even be correct:

Should we bash these TTTs?

I laugh at that every time, what is the origin?

TTT = Third Tier (derogatory word, either toilet or trash or truthertucker).

Originally started by the discussion board at the Princeton Review. They used TTT to refer to the the third tier schools they weren't bothering with. As PR discussion board wasn't sufficient (gunnery/extensive/crass) enough for them, the most brilliant/obnoxious/smelly formed autoadmit. They popularized and standardized TTT. Now, it has a variable meaning. It definitely means third tier. It also means fourth tier. Some days it means anything outside of T14. Heck, there are some posters that believe any non-HYS school is TTT. And it can be used as a term of general pwnage, so that I could say that botbot is TTT poster. And so on and so forth. I think I'm gonna netflix a little Dr. Who Series 3 now- that's so TTT (in an ironic, meaning T14, manner; man, that David Tennant is something).

General Board / Re: So what now
« on: January 14, 2009, 09:53:45 PM »
Naw, really I'm impressed. I never realized that a Tulane education was so impressive it allowed you to lecture people at other schools about what their school's employment situation looks like. Man- I wasted all this time making connections here at the school, getting to know the local judges, making friends with the movers and shakers in the various markets, and, oh, looking at all the job postings and talking to classmates about what jobs they've been getting.

Heck- I didn't even need to stay at a Holiday Inn Express. Just ask a Tulane 2L! There is nothing they do not know! I mean, he knows friends who had positions just like that, from, you know, schools just like that, and it happened all the time in high school. No big deal.

Personally, I'm going back to my virtuous no-nothing ways.

General Board / Re: 2L 1st Semester Grades...
« on: January 14, 2009, 06:53:06 PM »

General Board / Re: 2L 1st Semester Grades...
« on: January 14, 2009, 04:59:14 PM »
Friend is a 3L. Firm is Vault60.

My friend had an offer and accepted it & filled out paperwork. There was long silence- then a revocation. Strangely, I have another friend who is doing a pre-clerkship summer at this firm in the coming year.

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