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Where should I go next fall? / Define 'competitive'
« on: March 26, 2006, 01:31:42 PM »
So, you'rer on a tour of a law school and you hear the following...

"But our students aren't, like, hyper-competitive. I mean, they don't rip the pages out of the books in the library or anything!"

So far I've had this statement, or a variant of it, at every school I've visited.

My thoughts on law school competition:

Some schools have eased up on the competitiveness through their grading policies (ex.- Yale with pass/fail, Buffalo by not having an absolute class rank).

Some schools in the lower tiers are much more competitive than they should be because they overaward scholarships that depend on maintaining an unrealistic class rank or GPA (for example, they give 50% of the incoming students scholarships dependent on maintaining a GPA of 3.2 or above, when the curve is set for 2.7).

Othan than that, all law schools tend to be hyper-competitve at the top-end, for the people competing for the upper echelon of grade. Most schools tend to be competitive because, well, law schools will attract more type-A personalities.

Princeton Review ranks the top 10 as:
1. Baylor
2. St. John's
3. Yeshiva
4. Roger Williams
5. St. Mary's
6. Ohio Northern
7. Bring 'em Young
8. Suffolk
9. Cornell
10. THE (as in only?) Ohio State University

My comments about the list:
1. Baylor- This is generally agreed upon from EVERYTHING I have heard, read, and know from people that have attended.
4. I've talked to faculty. It can be cut-throat. Why? because the stakes are so small.
6. Ohio Northern- gives out unrealistic scholarships, professional focus, attracts overachievers who score low on the LSAT but make up for it with blood, sweat, and tears.
8. A lot of real-world people go here; know they have to do REAL well to get a good job in Bean-town area. Hard workers.
9. Lived near Cornell. Most students live in a little incestuous dorm. Everyone know everyone's business, and behind the smiles, there's sometimes a dagger- if you're gunning for the top of the class.

Where should I go next fall? / Must be the Cooley!
« on: March 26, 2006, 01:16:49 PM »
In my opinion, you have to go to Cooley.

Five years from now, you'll be trying to pick up an attractive member of the opposite sex in a bar. After casually mentioning you're a lawyer, you'll be waiting.... waiting.... waiting.... for them to ask you where you wnt to law school just so you can suavely say,

"I went to Cooley."

If you go to Yale (or Hah-vahd).... not so much.

*just loves me them newbie trolls*

Where should I go next fall? / What are YOU looking for in a visit?
« on: March 25, 2006, 11:41:51 PM »
So, like many of you on this board, I need to make a decision fairly soon. And I always thought that my visit to a school would play an important part in the decision making process. But after a few visits, and a little thinking, I'm beginning to wonder- what use are school visits?

They can tell you one thing- boy, I don't want to go to school in THIS city. But can they tell you anything else? If you attend a school-sponsored Open House, you're basically attending a dog-and-pony show. It *should* be a good experience. And if it isn't, it probably says more about the relative incompetence of the admissions department than anything else.

I've been looking through my notes from my various school visits... and my great realization is that the University of Buffalo's architecture can best be described as early-50s brutalist. But I'm not going there for the architecture. And maybe the ugly buildings scare off of the snow they get. The rest of the schools are a blur of smiling admissions folk and contracts classes. The one advantage of the school visits was my ability to scope out the surrounding area and see if I liked the community.

Occasioanlly, I've gotten a 'vibe' from a school visit, but as someone with a science background, I know better than to trust a one-day sample size. I can get a better feel for the student body by contacting current students over the internet than the artificial conversations you get during a tour. I can understand the academics and the teaching styles better by doing a little bit of research about them than by attending one sample class. And I can find out a lot more about my post-graduation employment prospects by looking at the statistics than by hearing yet another admissions Dean tell me the story of the student last year who used alum connections to land that job in Hawaii, showing that StateU really isn't a regional school.

So... other than the, "Wow, I could never go to school here!" realization you might sometimes get with a school visit, of what use are school visits? And what do you look for in a school visit? Ice cream? Novelties? Party Tricks? Clean Bathrooms?

Where should I go next fall? / Why this bugs me
« on: March 25, 2006, 04:29:48 PM »
Why do I care about Syracuse? Why does this baffle me?

Why I care-
When I first started the admissions cycle, Syracuse held a lot of interest for me. It is the only school that is a commutable distance for me (it would be an awful commute, especially in winter, but possible). It is one of two schools that is in a city that my wife could transfer her job to. I liked what the school was doing academically. In short, they were near the top of my list, despite not being the most highly ranked school I applied to.

Why does this baffle me?
Because it looks like the blew it. At this point, other schools have already offered free rides. My top choice has accepted me (although I might not go there because their $$$ offer wasn't high enough). And... all of these other schools have been actively recruiting and calling me for the last month+, which leads to the inevitable warm & fuzzies (they like me, they really really like me!). Today, for example, I go to my mailbox and I found four large envelopes. Are any of them from Syracuse? No... more recruiting material from the schools I'm trying to decide between. It's become a running gag between my wife and myself.

Bah! A pox on 'em.

Where should I go next fall? / The outlier school....
« on: March 25, 2006, 03:51:53 PM »
This is a subject I have been pondering.

I have seen many posts from people wondering why they haven't heard from such-and-such school. For the most part, I have not been worried about not hearing from a particular school- I feel that when you hear a school, you hear from a school.

But, I just can't figure this out.

As of two weeks ago, I had heard from every school that I had applied to, in various way, except one.
10 acceptances.
One rejection (a T10 school that I applied late to and wasn't really expecting an acceptance from).
Two emails (from UFla and Arizona St.) that came unbidden, explaining that their letters would be sent out at the end of March. My applications to these schools were also late (after Jan. 1st).

And nothing (nada, zero, zilch) from Syracuse. I realize the state schools take a little while, with their labyrinthine bureaucracies and proceedures outlined on their web sites and my late application to each. But Syracuse?

I'm not sure I understand this. Syracuse was the first place to have my file completed. My LSAT score is just shy of 170. Schools that are much more selective (I hesitate to use to the word 'better' as I don't put as much stock in the USNWR rankings as others do) accepted me long ago. Weird.

I finally broke my own internal rule yesterday and caled l them to ask about the status of my application. The person who answered at admissions was less than friendly, explaining it takes 10-12 weeks to decide. While I was in the middle of explaining that it had been somewhat longer than twelve weeks, she cut me off and told me that I should be receiving a decision then.

So, other than seriously lowering Syracuse's rep in my eyes, where should I file this in the vagaries of the law school admissions experience? Protecting their yield? Inability to get their act together?

Another mystery unsolved.


I've gotten into more selective schools. In fact, every single other school (w/ exception of one T10) has sent me notification by now. Except Syracuse. I'm totally baffled. No comprehension whatsoever.

While I'm at it, L&C. L&C was my top choice, but they offered me a very low scholarship in comparison to what similarly ranked schools were offering. I asked if the amount could be reconsidered. What did I hear? Yes? No? Ask someone else?

Total silence.

I noticed several self-nominations for this thread...

Hmmmm.... I have known many arrogant jerks in my life. Most were completely unaware of their boorish behavior.

On occcasion I have met that *particular* individual who would make the same obnoxious remarks, but preface them with a wry putdown acknowledging that they knew that they were being obnoxious.

"I know it's so T14 of me to say this, but if you don't score a 176 on your LSAT you might as well go to Tom Cooley and chase ambulances for a living!"

So... which is worse from a moral point of view? To be the unaware jerk? Or to be aware of your, um, jerkiness and to keep on doing it?

Or, put another way, does intent matter? Heh.

Okay, here's my problem...

I have a great tier 3 school that I really like that is offering me a free ride, and the scholarship is a 'top half of the class', not top 25% or GPA based... but if (god forbid) I screw up I'm on the hook for 32k/yr for two yrs that I can't afford


My state school, which is top 100 (but not top 50), and which is cheap, but hasn't put together a financial package for me yet, and has explained that they probably won't be able to do so until AFTER the deposits have been sent in, but they could turn out to be a great deal and bargain...


a private top 100 hundred school (also not top 50) which is offering me a decent merit scholarship (renewable, no strings) + a need scholarship (probably renewable, no strings) + MAX financial aid, but even with the need AND merit would leave me paying about 14k/yr that I'd have to use the finaid for...


the three schools (T50, T40, T10) that haven't even told me if I've been accepted or not.
Arghhhhhhhh!!!! Must... contain.... fists.... of..... rage....

Where should I go next fall? / Still Waiting...
« on: March 06, 2006, 07:30:36 PM »
So... I was accepted to a whole lot of school in January and early February. You could say that I over-applied. The thing is, I'm still waiting on five schools that have had all of my documents since January.

A few quick comments- yes, I realize that I have an ecelectic mix of schools, but there is a reason for them. I am not too surprised by the lack of notification from UF and ASU since they are state schools, but since they are rolling admissions, I suppose this bodes poorly for me. So... anyone know what's going on with my NY Three? Are other people waiting on these schools? My mailbox has become a symbol of sadness in my household of late, its emptiness signifying another day I cannot make a final deicision about my future... *grin*

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