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Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« on: March 18, 2016, 09:57:50 AM »

If your response is "Yes, but future FBI bombshells will affect the race", then we're back to the land of speculation and wishful thinking.

Stop feeding the troll. The "popcorn" began with the Benghazi hearing. Remember, the one that Senor Toll guaranteed would be the downfall of Clinton?

Same story, different day. You can't have a discussion with someone who changes the facts to fit their opinions.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: LLM thoughts?
« on: March 17, 2016, 12:03:31 PM »
It depends on what you want to do with the LLM. Are you looking for tenure track law school gig, getting into the private sector, etc. An LLM in what?

Generally, I don't think LLMs are all that useful, at least not enough to justify the cost. The exceptions would be Tax and Natural Resources/Environmental.

I would say that the only truly useful LLMs (outside of tenure track law school, and even those are marginal) is the Tax LLM, and even those are only good from specific schools.

I've known attorneys that have practiced in environmental law successfully; none of them needed an LLM. It doesn't hurt, but (unlike tax law) I don't see it as being worth the money.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: KU v. Washburn
« on: March 14, 2016, 02:36:39 PM »
Disclaimer- while I am familiar with quite a few legal markets, KS/MO isn't one of them.

Generic advice; once you move out of the T14, the most important things to consider are cost and location. Period. Kansas will have marginally better job prospects, but it's unlikely to be worth the added expense. Especially if you are planning on practicing in that geographic location.

Make sure you review the terms and conditions of the scholarships. Also, don't depend on graduating at the top of your class- 100% of law school students believe they will finish at the top 10% of their class.

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« on: February 29, 2016, 03:21:31 PM »

Exactly. I got into a discussion with a guy once who was touting the Paul McCartney-is-Dead conspiracy. When I pointed out that there is no actual evidence to support the claim, he responded "Of course not! They covered it up man!" Logical reasoning at it's finest.

Yep. No more feeding the troll for me. I will say this - it's amazing not just how wrong he is, but how spectacularly. Even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

But engaging a troll is like banging you head against a wall; it only feels good when you stop. :)

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« on: February 29, 2016, 09:13:01 AM »


I will be brief. A website is not a periodical. Shocker. An op-ed by a person most known for writing a prior op-ed called, "Barack Obama's Presidency is spiraling downward," is not reporting.

Yes, we know that you love your popcorn. And before this, you got your popcorn out for the Benghazi hearing. And, well, that went as everyone expected except for you. And you have made many fearless predictions, such as Bernie will win it all, and the GOP will have an amazing and awesome candidate.

Here's the problem. Essentially, your predictions are non-falsifiable, as are those of any troll. That's why we're not responding to you (this will be my last exception). Other people bother with facts, and what is. That doesn't mean they will be right- after all, no one knows the future. But it means that they are basing on something other than want to happen.

On the other hand, you just repeat the same things. You will be here, trolling the same comments. If something happens, you can be right. If Clinton is elected, you will just say, "Oh, there must have been a cover up! I will be here with my popcorn, waiting for the revelations!"

Of course, I suppose one could make a substantial amount of money by taking whatever you say, and betting against it. Perhaps you'd be so kind to provide us your popcorn-worthy list of who will win the NBA Championship? I am quite positive that you have the 76ers.

In the meantime, enjoy your popcorn. Whether you are right (unlikely, if the past predicts the future) or wrong, why not take your political posturings to a place where people are a) more likely to care, and b) less likely to know that you're completely full of it?

Law School Admissions / Re: Am I making a mistake with my law school plan?
« on: February 26, 2016, 12:45:52 PM »
If you're being serious, I will give you a serious answer.

A 170 LSAT with a 4.0 uGPA (undergraduate GPA) would put you in the running for any of the top schools in the nation, especially if you have finished school early and are competing athletically.

The school you're looking at is, based on your input, roughly 51 - 100. Not bad, but a different kettle of fish.

I wouldn't hurry this decisions. You don't list your age - if you're a non-trad UG (military, transfer, something else), then maybe it's worth it. On the other hand, law school is much more rigorous than UG is. Period. People often struggle.

Maybe you should more seriously consider your options rather than rush through. Know yourself a little better.

Job Search / Re: 2L Summer Job Offers - Choosing One - Advice?
« on: February 24, 2016, 02:43:15 PM »
Basically, I'm concerned about whether or not I should hedge my bets on this unofficial possible post-grad employment chance. Because if hedging my bets on that is unrealistic (as some people say hiring decisions are usually hinging on bar results these days) then I'm not as certain about the appeal of one versus another.

There's no single answer to this question you posed. It appears that you currently have one position, with two in-house offers.

A lot of it depends on the nature/reputation/work environment of the places. What is the better opportunity? I honestly don't know. You gave us a laundry list of what the job provides, but nothing about what the job *is*, or what you *want*.

You have to look at yourself. What do you want? Look at job 1- they offer what appears to be a path to a job. But do you want that job? Will you be happy if you graduate and work there? If not, then why are you thinking about it? If yes, then the answer should be simple.

And job two- does it provide skills and networking opportunities in addition to the money?

Not to be too ... easygoing about it, but the money you make your 2L summer isn't going to amount to a whole hill of beans compared to your career. Make the decision based on where you want to be 5 and 10 years down the road.

I started undergrad in 2010. After 3 years of poor performance I left school for a couple years and worked and reevaluated my life. Because I was on probation this counted as an academic dismissal. I have since returned to school at a different University and have maintained a 3.5 GPA for the last two semesters and hope to so so for this one and the next, after which I'll graduate. If I do well on the LSAT, how much will my earlier performance affect law schools' decisions?

I agree with MaintainFL, and will add a few notes. First, the good news. You're not screwed. Now, the less good news.

You have *two* separate issues. One is poor uGPA (undergraduate GPA). The other is the academic dismissal. They are not the same issue. Let me explain why.

The overall bad uGPA will, in and of itself, be a reason that you will not get into some schools. This is a numbers game, and schools use a matrix with your uGPA and LSAT score. In other words, below a certain (combined) level, your application may not get looked at with some schools. On the other hand, this should give you a very good incentive to do well on the LSAT. Since you, um, took a break, you are technically a non-trad (non-traditional student) and if you do really well you would be a "splitter" (high LSAT, low uGPA) that schools will admit a percentage of to boost their numbers. But, in short, it's not the death of you- and, given that you have a record of doing better academically once you came back, it's not too bad.

The other issue is bigger. You will need to explain the academic dismissal. This is (for lack of a better word) a "big deal" for law school and the Bar. Not that it happened- but that you can explain it with candor. Were you unready? Didn't take it seriously? Had a family issue? Had a medical issue? You will need to explain this openly and honestly, and, just as importantly, without excuses. Own it, whatever it might be.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Chosing a School
« on: February 09, 2016, 01:50:06 PM »
The advice you have been given, so far, is good. But I need to add a few pointers. The only two things to considers, for the schools you have listed, are cost and location. Period. Unlike Citylaw, if you are young and relatively mobile, I would consider cost to be at least as, if not more, important than location. Let me explain why-

Location (other than the T14) matters an incredible amount. Yes, it is possible to get a degree at Penn State and then a job back on the West Coast. But it is very unlikely. You should realize that it is much more likely than not that you will be practicing in the same area as where you went to school.

...but think of the cost. Seriously. It's not just the cost of tuition. It's the books. Fees (there will be fees). Cost of food. Drink. Rent. Living. You need to minimize those costs. If you are young and mobile, it is likely that your geographic preference isn't worth $100-$300k of debt.

Now, I would like you to look at this article-

This is from 2013, but I think it should shed a little light on one issue. Chapman is one of those schools that are *notorious* for yanking merit-based scholarships. I believe their curve is set *under* 2.9 (2.8?), so that, in a certain way, many students are set up to fail. Well, pay.

Other things-

Penn State took over Dickinson in order to get a law school, but my understanding is that they "de-merged" recently; now there is Penn State Law (regular campus) and Penn State Law (Dickinson). I'm unfamiliar with how that has affected anything.

If I were in your shoes, I would seriously consider the PSU offer, and then look into DePaul and Loyola (Chi). But I'm not you. Remember that you will likely end up practicing in the general location of where you went to law school - east coast/mid-Atlantic (PSU) or Midwest/Chicago.

Law School Admissions / Re: Considering Law School - mid 40's
« on: February 02, 2016, 10:37:52 AM »

I've always had an interest in law.  I certainly would like to own my own firm and practice employment law - utilizing my corporate experience.

I'm just wondering if I'm too old for this task - 4 more years of school.  I currently have a Master's Degree in another field. 

Any feedback from anyone in their mid-40's who started law school later in life would be awesome!


You are a non-traditional student. I don't normally think much about it, provided we're talking mid-30s or younger, but you present some additional issues.

In your favor, you will likely have several advantages that many other law students lack. A consistent work ethic. Life experience. The ability to treat law school like a job. This gives you a leg up.

Against you is that as you get older, it does get somewhat harder to unlearn things that you know- and law school is both about learning the law and unlearning things you think are true about the law (but aren't). You may also have family or other obligations that make it harder to participate in the full law school experience (extracurriculars and other non-class offerings).

What it comes down to is this- cost and opportunity. You say "four years." Do you have a particular part-time program in mind (that will allow you to work) that takes four years (full time is usually 3 years)? How much will it cost? Do you have connections that you will be able to use when you graduate to build up a client base?

This transition is possible, but it's hard. I know a practicing attorney that went to law school after a successful (unionized) position. He had an affinity for the law, and in his md-40s, went to law school. He's now a successful union attorney, utilizing all of his old union connections. But he's the exception.

There's no generic advice that can be given- it's going to depend on you.

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