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Different things for different schools. Some schools absolutely hate it when applicants call their offices AT ALL with questions or additional info. Other schools will bump up a student when they receive contact from them as it shows them that you are interested and would accept an offer to attend. Just check out the board on success stories and try and determine where your prospective school lies.

Where is the board on success stories? I must be just missing it


I have been on this board for 3 years and have seen a number of success stories in the past - mainly involving WLs in the latter months of summer. You can probably do a search of old threads in the "Waitlist" section of LSD for more info. Again, this will probably be school-specific strategies.

Well I started my application process for the next cycle. Getting LOR's together, started to think of my PS topic, etc and all of this scares me. The whole process is so long and thorough. I'm thinking of the jobs I can put on my apps that I worked scared that if I put something wrong even if get my JD I'll never practice cause the ABA might find some mismatched info. And then, there is the though that when I finally send in my apps in September I will have to wait for response from schools, the though of which terrifies even more.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but this is scary.

Well not trying to add more to the "anxiety fire" but it gets worse after you get in. There will be the worrying about your first semester: Did I study enough? Do I know how to take a law school exam? What are other students doing?

Then you wait for your exam grades which can come as late as in Feb or March. Then there is the 1L summer waiting game: Will I get an interview? Will I have something to do during the summer?

Then comes the law review write-on/grade-on and moot court/mock trial tryouts: Will I grade-on? Were my grades high enough to even qualify for a journal? Will I write on? Was my brief OK to get on a team?

Then you will wait for your Spring 1L grades.

Then comes Fall of your 2L year: Will I get an OCI interview? Will I get a callback? Will other firms hire me? How many reception dinners do I have to attend?

Then comes the Law Review and the court competition waiting games: Will my comment/case note get published? Did I place? Did I advance? Will I get kicked off the team?

Then you wait for your 2L grades.

Then you wait for feedback from your 2L summer: Did the partners like my memo? Will I get a job offer? Could they tell I was drunk that one night? Does throw-up easily come off silk?

Then it is the 3L year: Did I get a job offer? Do I need to interview for more firms? Will I get a job period? Did I get a clerkship? Did I take enough classes to graduate? Am I ready for the Bar Exam? Did I complete the long ass Bar application properly? Did I have decent 3L grades?

Then there are partnership questions, having a family question, did you cost your client millions of dollars for putting the term "and" rather than "or" in the contract questions, did I get my client executed questions, whether it is time for suicide questions, etc....

Yup, you have a lot of waiting and hard applications to face you in the future. Yeah applying to law school sucks, but it could be worse  ;)

Different things for different schools. Some schools absolutely hate it when applicants call their offices AT ALL with questions or additional info. Other schools will bump up a student when they receive contact from them as it shows them that you are interested and would accept an offer to attend. Just check out the board on success stories and try and determine where your prospective school lies.

Law School Applications / Re: SMU
« on: April 24, 2007, 10:24:58 PM »
So does April 30th mean that they're going to let us know via phone that we're in by that date or the letters will be postmarked April 30th?  I've been complete since early January and am now in deposit deadline hell, so it'd be nice if they'd maybe get it out a day or two earlier...

They will probably try and get out decisions before the absolute last minute, but more students accepted offers than the admissions office anticipated. Also, I saw a number of admitted students busting out their checkbooks at ASW last Friday to pay the deposit when they came here, so that might speed up the rejection letters at least. When I was applying to SMU, the admissions office was telling me how much they hated having to set up a WL and that is why they wait so long to make a decision so they wouldn't have to create a massive WL. Personally I would rather have some news as opposed to no news, but the school probably doesn't want to over-enroll. Again, this is all speculation as I have no authority or inside knowledge as to what the process entails.

Good luck to those still waiting though. I DEFINITELY know how y'all are feeling about the admissions process...just check out my past postings to see what my situtation was in the past. :D Also, for those admitted students that have any questions about SMU from a current student, just let me know. I definitely won't sugarcoat things here, as I absolutely HATE it when students complain about whatever school they are at and claim they wouldn't have attended "if they only knew the true situation." I want to make sure you don't have any mispreceptions about the school and life on the ole hilltop.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: SMU 2010 Starter Thread
« on: April 20, 2007, 11:41:17 PM »
anyone have any suggestions for a decent 1-bedroom close to smu where i could fit a pool table?

Assuming you are looking for a place that an average SMU student can afford, the lofts and condos at Hotel Palomar are sizable. It is attached to a hotel so you have basic services like dry cleaning, restaurants, fitness center, and room service. Valet is still slow, but you can always self-park if you must. It is only located .5 miles away from campus so you can roll out of bed and still have time to hit up the crepe station for breakfast just before class. Here is the link to some model places for your review: ($400K-$1.6M range).

Now if you want to have a nicer place, you might have to settle for the W Hotel: ($600K-$4M range). Or you can wait until the Ritz-Carlton gets built: ($700K-$7M range). If you are on the poor side of SMU students or prefer living the bohemian lifestyle, there are a few places in the $250K-$350K range: Most students will look beyond that if that is all you can afford, but if you come to school driving something that isn't better than a BMW 3-series, you will definitely become the black sheep of the law school and I will pity you.... :o

Sorry couldn't help all seriousness, most students live in the Village apartments and are in the $300-$900/month range. I'm sure you can fit a pool table in one of those apartments - no guarantee you will have enough room to actually play with it. ;) 

Law School Applications / Re: SMU
« on: April 20, 2007, 11:10:58 PM »

Well, it's the end of another week... and still nothing.

Surely we will hear something next week, right?

I'm finding it difficult to remain optimistic. According to LSN, most SMU applicants who received a decision this late in the cycle last year were WL'd or rejected. :-\

Most movement will come as a result of the April 1st deposits. Note also that today was the last ASW, so there might be a couple of people who either decides to come or not. I think letters and phone calls will be made next week depending on what these admitted students decide.

Law School Applications / Re: SMU
« on: April 19, 2007, 01:57:24 AM »
And for those that were complaining of the lack of SMU camaraderie, after the day time law school administrative activities there is sports spectacular, law school follies at night, and then bar review.

Sports Spectacular is also on Friday. Basically there will be a ton of kegs on a softball field and you can witness law students trying to play softball drunk and trying to play softball while holding their beer. We also have awesome tailgates during the Fall, but y'all really can't experience those unless you visit SMU during that time.

Law School Follies will be after Spectacular and is comprise of various skits performed by law students and professors making fun of SMU, law school, themselves, and other current events. Last year there was a skit called "Brokeback Basement" making fun of the people on law review and student groups with offices in the basement of Storey Hall. There were also students pretending to be Dorsaneo and Cross, some of the most outrageous profs on campus (note, last year the students got out of hand making fun of the profs so it may be a bit boring this time).

After Follies you can head out to Bar Review which will be held at Dubliner Pub on Greenville (  Nothing really special here, but a lot of law students will come out and will probably be drunk from Spectacular. Last year we received drink specials, but the people running Bar Review this year kinda suck. I think the people taking over for next year will be better at setting up drink specials and other events.

I don't know who decides ASW activities, but we do not have as many events as other schools because of the feedback pre-law school students gave the school. (Personally, I didn't attend ASW and just visited SMU when I was in town before I decided to attend). Most people don't want to hang out on campus all weekend and hang out with law students all weekend - most people were complaining that they couldn't hang out and visit just visit Dallas. I think that is why SMU does not have full events like W&L, where it is located in a city with nothing to do (not trying to disparage W&L, I really liked that school, but since the school was used as an example earlier and since I visited that school too, I wanted to make that comparison). Also note that W&L has fewer admitted students so it is easier financially and logistically to do extensive ASW activities.

Could SMU improve it's admission process? Sure. The school changes its ASW every year and tries to cater to those students who WANT to hang out on campus and those who ONLY want to visit it for a few hours. 

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: SMU 2010 Starter Thread
« on: April 19, 2007, 12:28:28 AM »
I will be working at a firm for the first half of the summer. I'm still looking for a second half job.

Did you find this job through SMU? How are your classmates doing with this summer jobs?

I found the job on my own - sent out a blind letter and resume to the firm. I think there are still people struggling, but not too sure. People don't really talk about their summer plans - those that got jobs don't want to be viewed as braggarts and those that are still looking don't want to be viewed as stupid.  I still feel worried about the second half and employment prospects after I graduate, I am focusing on finals and will worry about jobs during the summer. What are you deciding on? 

Law School Applications / Re: SMU
« on: April 19, 2007, 12:18:46 AM »
hey everyone!
quick question. I am a URM (hispanic) with 3.2 gpa from UT-Austin (currently a senior, most bad grades came from a disastrous premed experience, Pol Science GPA is good) and 156 LSAT. I was just wondering what my chances are at SMU (dallas). I was recently accepted to Cardozo Law school, and I was waitlisted at Houston. I heard that rejections were being sent out last week, and I haven't gotten one, so maybe that's a good thing? Anyways, also wondering if anyone else has had to wait so long to hear from SMU (I went complete in January).


Too many factors to consider. While your grades and LSAT are on the low side for SMU regarding its medium, you might have additional soft factors including your URM status. If you really want to go to SMU, consider the part-time program. If you didn't consider the part-time program on your application and you want to consider it, contact the admissions department and let them know (probably ASAP). You probably dont have to do anything more other than a simple phone call.

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: NALP?
« on: April 18, 2007, 09:02:16 AM »
NALP is a good tool to give a general idea about employment figures but it is certainly not perfect.

That's exactly what I was thinking because when I looked up USD it showed 134 employers and when I looked up Loyola there were 185. This seemed rather strange because the two schools have roughly the same reputation. Perhaps more employers hire at Loyola because there are more students there. Does this data mean that Loyola is a much better school than USD or are they roughly equivalent?

It's location based. There are more NALP member firms located in the LA area as opposed to the San Diego area. With both schools having similar reputations in the area, a lot of those firms are not going to spend resources to go San Diego when they get the same students locally.

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