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Wait List / Going to meet with the dean....
« on: June 01, 2004, 05:28:20 PM »
Well I decided to fly from texas to DC to meet the dean at a law school i have been waitlisted at. She told me I can schedule a time to meet with her when I get in. I want to talk to her about my chances of getting off the WL and why I should be admitted in, but I really don't know how to approach this. I mean, what am I going to say when I meet her. At a job interview, they ask you the questions and there is planned dialogue, but I dont know what to anticipate since this isnt a interview but rather a meeting. I am also wondering how I should dress. I was planning on dressing nicely but should it be business attire? I dont want to come in unprepared nor do I want to come in looking pompus. Its hard to gauge the proper approach to this non-traditional means of law school entry. I will also make another stop at another school I am WL in Texas on the way to the airport. I will do the tours (if availible) and try to market myself. Any suggestions? Has anyone else met with the law school especially if you live far away from the school itself?

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Law School Applications / Best Admissions Strategy
« on: June 01, 2004, 04:53:19 AM »
I know the consensus here regarding admissions is to apply early, I think that applying later on in the process has its advantage. I applied early to many schools and received a lot of dings, but what amazed me was a WL at a school that I thought would have a rejected me flat out. I think its safe to apply to many places at different times. Early admissions is probably the best chance, but i think sometimes applying later may help you out. If a school hasnt hit its numbers, it might admit quite a few who might have been rejected if they applied early. I have just noticed quite a few people who apply in March and get an acceptance a few weeks later with so-so stats. Just a little quirp for some potential applicants.

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Not sure if this thread is dead, but I finally heard back from SMU......another waitlist. It seems to me that they deferred more than initially rejected or waitlisted....I know a lot of schools gave out too many offers last year but I dont think that they anticipated that so many students would accept their offers last year. Another hurtle to consider, is the fact that they are trying to "beef up" their part-time program and will reduce the number of full-time students they will initally accept. I think there are too many variables for SMU to deal with so their response: DEFFERAL.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: How easy is it to transfer?
« on: June 01, 2004, 01:57:47 AM »
It's going to depend on your eventual ranking at the law school you will transfer from. There are some tier 1 schools who will look at your LSAT score (however, most don't because the LSAT is used as a precursor to predict your success at a particular law school in your FIRST year....there are too many variables to consider using the LSAT to determine your final standing) but the majority will waive that score and look at your 1L performance. Some schools like Cornell and UMich actually enjoy transfering in students and state that they are "enthusastic members of their law school." Other schools, like Baylor, will only accept transfers if it's a dire situtation (ie a dying relative that needs your care and is located in the waco area). You must also consider location; it is easier to transfer from a totally different location (ie easier to transfer from USD to Georgetown than from American to Georgetown). Another component is the type of law or program your interested in. If you go Kent but decided you wanted to practice health care law, it would be easier for you to transfer to U of H rather than from Seton Hall, which has a health care program. You are going to have a lot of variables to consider when deciding to transfer. Decide what you want to study, where you want to practice, and what schools you would like to go to and then do some research. Call the schools and ask about their transfer policies (most schools have that info on their website). If you do go to the school you got accepted at, WORK YOUR BUTT OFF! Basically your rank and grades are the most important component of your transfer application. Another note, there are T1 schools that don't even care about where you came from, just your rank. So, theoretically, you could go to say, Chapman, stay in the top 1% of your class, and transfer into a school like Harvard....given that you have a good PS, LORs from current law profs, and a good reason.   

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Law School Gallery
« on: June 01, 2004, 01:37:48 AM »
For those wondering about Texas schools and its respective "yee haws":
Texas A&M = Gig'em
University of Texas (or TU if your an aggie) = Hook'em
Texas Tech = Shoot'em
Baylor = Sic'em


I'm not so sure about the rest (Rice = Hoot'em???....I doubt they would have a cheer).

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Wait List / Any updates on LSN?
« on: May 31, 2004, 08:48:28 PM »
Are people still maintaining their profiles on LSN? I've been checking on a few of the schools I am waiting from and there haven't been any updates since April.

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Law School Applications / Who hasn't been accepted anywhere?
« on: May 31, 2004, 08:44:54 PM »
Well I am waitlisted at two schools and doubt I'll be hearing from them anytime soon and wanted to know if any of y'all are in the same situation. I really do want to get into law school and will retake the LSAT, but I wanted to know what everyone else will be doing in the interm. I just graduated so I don't have any job to fall back on and got rehired to work at the cinema in the meantime (it sucks having a degree and no money for a frame to hang it in  :(). It seems that all the "good" jobs have been taken and NO ONE is hiring (I'm upset because the economy is going up and the majority of firms have posted profits and growth yet every job I applied to gave me that catchy phrase.....oh what was it again....oh yeah, "HIRING FREEZE." I'd like to punch the guy that coined that excuse.) Anyways, who else got nothing and what are you going to do? I am living my nightmare: graduated from college with honors and living back at home with the rents....except we don't have a basement.

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Wait List / Re: GMU Waitlist.....Part 2
« on: May 28, 2004, 01:54:36 PM »
Has anyone still waitlisted for GMU recieved any letter recently (admit, denied, WL)? I think they are sending out a lot of WL postcards and I haven't recieved mine. I am afraid they might of sent it to my old college address and it might get here after the time expires.

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Law School Applications / Re: Is this possible?
« on: May 27, 2004, 05:26:06 PM »
Only a few schools will let you do that. If your lucky enough to get admitted to a school that will allow you to deferr admissions for a year, they are going to probably require you to sign a contract saying that you will not apply to any other school. Check the school's deferrment policy and you can go from there.

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MaroonOut2005:

I was born and raised in Texas.  And I still live here. So..yes, I am from Texas.  In fact, I currently work for the oldest and one of the largest law firms in Texas. We, as well as most large firms in Texas has many more Tech grads than Baylor grads.

And I see that you are relying totally on US News and World Distort and not on real life.  That is sad.  There are plenty of "lower tiered" schools that mold more productive legal professionals than so called "Tier 1" schools.  Most rankings are very political.   

And given that Baylor's law school is much older than Tech's, I would expect them to have more judges out there.  If they didn't, there would be a serious problem. 

I respect your opinion, but you've got alot to learn about real life my friend.

I think its sad that you have to respond to my arguments with objective opinions instead of hard facts.  If you work for a large firm that doesn't employ many Baylor graduates, then you obviously don't work for a highly respected one.

Here are some facts...
NALP Directory of Legal Employees: 30 firms recruited at Texas Tech, 85 firms recruit at Baylor. 
Employment at Graduation for Baylor: 71%
Employment at Graduation for Tech: 40.9 (Cooley's is 44%)
Bar Passage Rate at Baylor: 91.2%
Bar Passage Rate at Tech: 82.3% (Barely above the average of 78%)
In response to Baylor having the most judges because they are old, then why wouldn't UT have the most?  They are around the same age and the class sizes at Texas are over double those at Baylor.  If a firm employees more Tech graduates, then that is either because they are closely located to Tech, because of the fact that Tech has a larger student body, or because that firm isn't very well respected.  The facts speak for themselves, Baylor is a better school. 

Thanks and Gig 'Em,
Jason

I also agree with maroonout. You can't base the quality and strength of a law school based on opinion and giving the "I work at a top law firm and we don't have Baylor grads here" argument. One law firm is not representative of the entire state of Texas. I would have to question the location and main purpose of your law firm as well (if its in west texas I would assume more Tech grads would work there and also the type of law your firm deals with will also be a factor). Now I am not going to bash Tech because it is getting better with a new dean and a new focus; however, I am going to have to agree with USNews and all other rankings out there that put Baylor above Tech based on quality aspects. There are many successful Baylor law grad alumns including former governor Anne Richards and Leon Jaworski (the lawyer in charge of the Watergate scandal) that have excellent trial advocacy skills and practice all over the world. Not to mention the fact that Baylor law students continuously win at moot court competitions all over the country beating out Ivy League and top 20 schools consistently. I begin to question the validity of your law firm when you use such an argument similar to "your law school sucks because we say so." If the rest of your firm thinks that way, no wonder there are only Tech graduates there. 

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