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Law School Admissions / Re: Schools in Texas and How I'm sizing up
« on: May 27, 2004, 12:26:17 AM »

I was born and raised in Texas.  And I still live here. So..yes, I am from Texas.  In fact, I currently work for the oldest and one of the largest law firms in Texas. We, as well as most large firms in Texas has many more Tech grads than Baylor grads.

And I see that you are relying totally on US News and World Distort and not on real life.  That is sad.  There are plenty of "lower tiered" schools that mold more productive legal professionals than so called "Tier 1" schools.  Most rankings are very political.   

And given that Baylor's law school is much older than Tech's, I would expect them to have more judges out there.  If they didn't, there would be a serious problem. 

I respect your opinion, but you've got alot to learn about real life my friend.

I think its sad that you have to respond to my arguments with objective opinions instead of hard facts.  If you work for a large firm that doesn't employ many Baylor graduates, then you obviously don't work for a highly respected one.

Here are some facts...
NALP Directory of Legal Employees: 30 firms recruited at Texas Tech, 85 firms recruit at Baylor. 
Employment at Graduation for Baylor: 71%
Employment at Graduation for Tech: 40.9 (Cooley's is 44%)
Bar Passage Rate at Baylor: 91.2%
Bar Passage Rate at Tech: 82.3% (Barely above the average of 78%)
In response to Baylor having the most judges because they are old, then why wouldn't UT have the most?  They are around the same age and the class sizes at Texas are over double those at Baylor.  If a firm employees more Tech graduates, then that is either because they are closely located to Tech, because of the fact that Tech has a larger student body, or because that firm isn't very well respected.  The facts speak for themselves, Baylor is a better school. 

Thanks and Gig 'Em,

I also agree with maroonout. You can't base the quality and strength of a law school based on opinion and giving the "I work at a top law firm and we don't have Baylor grads here" argument. One law firm is not representative of the entire state of Texas. I would have to question the location and main purpose of your law firm as well (if its in west texas I would assume more Tech grads would work there and also the type of law your firm deals with will also be a factor). Now I am not going to bash Tech because it is getting better with a new dean and a new focus; however, I am going to have to agree with USNews and all other rankings out there that put Baylor above Tech based on quality aspects. There are many successful Baylor law grad alumns including former governor Anne Richards and Leon Jaworski (the lawyer in charge of the Watergate scandal) that have excellent trial advocacy skills and practice all over the world. Not to mention the fact that Baylor law students continuously win at moot court competitions all over the country beating out Ivy League and top 20 schools consistently. I begin to question the validity of your law firm when you use such an argument similar to "your law school sucks because we say so." If the rest of your firm thinks that way, no wonder there are only Tech graduates there. 

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GMU Waitlist.....Part 2
« on: May 26, 2004, 05:08:25 PM »
Well found out that GMU is not making any movements on its waitlist till after july 8th.....thought id pass that info along.

Law School Admissions / Re: How to work in a law firm
« on: May 26, 2004, 03:21:36 PM »
yeah its really wierd with the acceptances this year. i got rejected to all my "safety schools" and get waitlisted to 2 schools i didnt think i could ever get in. the reason why i say "safety schools" is because i probably would not get in these schools considering my stats, but i will not settle for anything less than these schools anyways. im not trying to sound cocky, but i do not want to be in the same position as i am as a graduated undergrad who cant get jobs because no one knows my school or will hire me because of my school.

Law School Admissions / Re: Schools in Texas and How I'm sizing up
« on: May 26, 2004, 11:32:34 AM »
I just graduated from Baylor and its not that bad. True they legalized dancing for "Baylor Sponsored Events." Alcohol, sex, and homosexuality are taboo there but the law school has really been exempt from "Baptist issues." The profs are really hardcore and use the Socratic method vehemetly. It was cited by Princeton Review as "the marine corps of law schools" due to its trial advocacy program and its moot court competitions. In my opinion, Baylor is not as strict as BYU or Bob Jones University (I know no law school) but at the same time, it is not as progressive as lets say Notre Dame and SMU regarding religion and academia. Even though Baylor is rather conservative, the quality of your legal education will not be diminished because, as I said before, the law school sucumbs to a different set of standards as opposed to the undergrad.

Law School Admissions / Re: How to work in a law firm
« on: May 26, 2004, 11:25:00 AM »
still waiting on SMU and GMU.

Law School Admissions / Re: Schools in Texas and How I'm sizing up
« on: May 25, 2004, 07:31:11 PM »
I think you have a good chance at getting in to law schools with your stats thus far. U of H will be easier since they are required by law to accept 80% of its applicants in-state. SMU may be a bit more difficult, but they are one of a few schools who arent "LSAT whores." I would also recommend Texas is going up in the rankings and has a new law school dean who is trying increase the quality of its law school. Baylor and UT are long shots, but great schools if you get the chance to get in. Baylor is the school for you if you want to stay in the texas area and if you are looking for the litigation track. It follows the quarter semester so its class size is small....if you want to get in, try applying for the summer class, its not as difficult to get in. Texas would be the best school if you want to move beyond Texas and if you dont have an idea of what/where you want to practice. Texas, U of H, and Texas Tech will be your cheapest options since you can claim Texas residency. I am not going to comment on St. Mary's, South Texas, or Texas Wesylan since I am unfamilar with those schools. Hope this helps.

OK I havent been accepted to any schools but I have been waitlisted at 2 schools. I am currently in Texas and have decided to go to DC and visit my number 1 choice, GMU. I was planning on meeting with the law school and get an idea of my surroundings (look for Apts, decide if i should bring my car, etc). I just dont want to waste my money and bring my hopes up too high if I dont get in. The other thing is, I havent applied for FAFSA but I really do need loans if I do get accepted. Most deadlines were for I too late for loans? Should I apply for FAFSA and list my two waitlisted schools just to be safe?

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GMU Waitlist.....Part 2
« on: May 25, 2004, 07:12:43 PM »
My GPA is the only thing really helping my application at this point.....I will disclose my stats after I get the final letter (dont want to jinx myself).

Law School Admissions / Re: How to work in a law firm
« on: May 24, 2004, 06:28:22 PM »
I lived in Waco, TX so trying to comprehend the huge increase in living expenses in another city is going to be pretty difficult for me to manage at this point. I am going to try to pursue those annoying law firms on TV (the non accredited firms with the Phen Phen and "Have you been in an auto accident" commercials) and see if I can get something through them.

I'm sure a lot of you guys get annoyed by this request (i see it every now and then), but did you guys that got accepted off of GMU waitlist do anything special? I am on the waitlist and have been extended to their other waitlist. The reason I am asking, is because I received my first letter during the Easter Holiday ( i of course was out of town) and sent the postcard in two days before it was due. In less than 2 weeks I got the second letter and wanted to know what y'all (from Texas ;D) did, if anything. GMU is my last hope (yes, bring out Justin Timberlake to "cry me a river") for attending law school this year. I have already sent one letter of intent (writing another one as we speak to address this second waitlist), had two of my professors write LORs, and one of my business law professors actually wants to call the dean herself and vouch for me (she wrote my regular LORs already). Any help would be appreciated, and I would really appreciate it if those who dont want to go to GMU, please rescind your offer for us bottom feeders on the waitlist. Thanks!   

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